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nucleartitan
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:28 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 2921Location: italyJoined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:44 pm
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a lot of you are against first warning sound,but i think it's better than aono sound,'it was too old and it was about an old era,too poppy.first warning sound is more a meet of the fat of the land and alaways outnumbered,it's great.i don't know ohw the new album will be,but if it's got this sound,i thin k it would be great.the prodigy sound is in a continue evolution.
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Scratchthesurface
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:44 pm |
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SergeantPosts: 437Location: GermanyJoined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:22 pm
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"First Warning" is a cool version for the movie/soundtrack, me likes! :D
Tho, nothing beats "Warning" live! Bitches gettin it on!
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tomlad
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:52 pm |
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ColonelPosts: 894Joined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:45 am
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prodigalOne wrote: I'll wait for Second Warning, this version seems completly polished for a cult movie like Smokin Aces. To be honest I don't know why clint mansell can think he should polish anything by the prodge, especially if he wants to use it for some characters called the tremor brothers. let the people in thearters feel this song kick
tomlads never been to a prodigy concert his opinion means shit
haha well done mate, any more bright sparks you wanna share with us about why my opinion means shit?
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eXhaustic
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:29 pm |
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GruntPosts: 46Location: UkraineJoined: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:13 pm
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I've never be a fan of Warning (I prefer Dead Ken and Back 2 Skool tracks from new era), but I can say that studio version of First Warning is good track (not brilliant, but good).
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prodigalOne
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:42 pm |
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LieutenantPosts: 511Location: New York CityJoined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:43 pm
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for all those who think the tune is great, thats good. You do however need to realize it's totally been tinkered with. So if you think this version is awesome, the official version must be even heavier than this.
thos who think this version sucks, i hear you. this version is pretty weak, stinks of complete loops, no live drums just programmed beats that barely change. no distortion on the melodies, not alot of bass.
ive heard warning when they played it for the second time in turkey, and i heard it at soundcheck at that, and it blew me the fuck away. hearing the new versions showed me that liam was confident in the track and was trying to mold it into more than just a live jam, but turn it into a fucking thrill ride, where you came out of it saying "more!" and thats how i felt hearing it live every time. i have full confidence that this tune on the soundtrack is but a tease for fans, and a "first warning" for those who dont remember the prodigy 100%
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tomlad
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:59 pm |
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ColonelPosts: 894Joined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:45 am
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at the end of the day i think liam has become his own personal enemy and i dont think even he quite knows what sort of music he wants to make any more. this choon just sounds like its been kinda put together for the sake of it. to me this just doesent sound anything like the prodigy ive come to know and love. neither did AONO. i remember speaking to alot of people who wer like old ravers and followed the band and shit from day 1 when AONO came out, and none of them were impressed by AONO, they all said to me, it doesent sound anything like the prodigy. i think the one great thing about prodge is that u can spot their work a mile off coz it sticks out, recently i feel liams music has fallen into line and it isnt quite the experience it once was. he shouldnt of taken such a heavy gap in between fat and AONO, because i feel that had he got an album out say late 1999-2000, the momentum of fotl and the whole live thing really wudda carried over well onto a new album, i mean, going by martin james quotes, No Souvs was liams best work to date, and that was written 1999 if im not mistaken. as ive said, liams his own worst enemy lol, but people like me dont exactly help either havin a go, but sorry folks, this shit has to be said!
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TMWKTM
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:51 pm |
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I want to hear the CD quality version of Warning before I say anything about it, but to me Liam's writing ability is not in question, however his ability to take tracks from his laptop and turn them into studio tracks is IMO.
I've heard Warning live in person about 6 times, plus I've heard every bootleg of it there is. It's a fuckin amazing track live, it's just got so much energy the place goes mad for it.
However, all of Liam's tracks have seemed to suffer when they're produced in a studio environment. Razor, Back 2 Skool, WTFU, Warning, all sound flat to me when I hear the studio versions. They don't have that phat full sound that his FOTL and AONO tracks did. When you hear SMBU, Diesel Power, even Spitfire, they don't lose anything on the album versions. But when I hear the new songs they just don't even compare to the live versions.
Maybe he just doesn't put as much effort into "extra" tracks. Anyways, I just look forward to hearing his next full album tracks which as we all know Liam will write, scrap, and rewrite 10,000 times until they're perfect.
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James Jupiter
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:36 pm |
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tomlad wrote: i mean, going by martin james quotes, No Souvs was liams best work to date, and that was written 1999 if im not mistaken.
Don't forget that that was Martin James' personal opinion at the time. He probably only heard it a couple of times. He also thought that "Baby's Got A Temper" was great when he first heard it and a hell of a lot of people don't agree with him on that.
Some people love every track. Some hate the new tracks. Neither are wrong because it's all about their personal opinion. Some people try to push their opinion as being the 'right' one and everyone else is wrong. It's only music. If you like it play it/buy it. If you don't then don't.
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Lectro
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:13 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 2220Location: DenmarkJoined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:55 pm
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James Jupiter wrote: It's only music. If you like it play it/buy it. If you don't then don't.
Yeah it IS only music but please buy my album anyway, hehe
I think this version is okay. I like it in fact. It's one of his better extra tracks in a long time. In a few years I think it might be as good as No Man's Army (I need more listens).
But yeah it's definently the best of the extra tracks and b-sides since '97 in my opinion. The energy is in there and that is what I like in Liams music!
Fucking rawks tha house!
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Diesel
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:38 pm |
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GruntPosts: 79Location: Brentwood, Essex (UK)Joined: Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:23 pm
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tomlad wrote: at the end of the day i think liam has become his own personal enemy and i dont think even he quite knows what sort of music he wants to make any more. this choon just sounds like its been kinda put together for the sake of it. to me this just doesent sound anything like the prodigy ive come to know and love. neither did AONO. i remember speaking to alot of people who wer like old ravers and followed the band and shit from day 1 when AONO came out, and none of them were impressed by AONO, they all said to me, it doesent sound anything like the prodigy. i think the one great thing about prodge is that u can spot their work a mile off coz it sticks out, recently i feel liams music has fallen into line and it isnt quite the experience it once was. he shouldnt of taken such a heavy gap in between fat and AONO, because i feel that had he got an album out say late 1999-2000, the momentum of fotl and the whole live thing really wudda carried over well onto a new album, i mean, going by martin james quotes, No Souvs was liams best work to date, and that was written 1999 if im not mistaken. as ive said, liams his own worst enemy lol, but people like me dont exactly help either havin a go, but sorry folks, this shit has to be said!
so dont listen to him anymore... if this is what he wants to produce now let him fuckin produce it. if you like it great you can play it loud and fuck the neighbours off, otherwise you can just forget about it and go back to listening to stuff from 10-20 years ago...
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Flachcracker
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:55 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 2107Location: Berlin, GermanyJoined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:53 pm
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BigSugar316 wrote: However, all of Liam's tracks have seemed to suffer when they're produced in a studio environment. Razor, Back 2 Skool, WTFU, Warning, all sound flat to me when I hear the studio versions. They don't have that phat full sound that his FOTL and AONO tracks did.
That´s what I´m talking before, Tim! Concerning "First Warning" there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between this and the Pukklepop version, except the small intro. It is not flat, cos it´s the same. The reason is, that all the things you´re missing now in the studio version [the energetic phat full sound] is this extra you only get LIVE... I´m talking about extra drummer and extra live e-Guitar.
I guess Liam changes the main concept for Prodigy LIVE and keeps his old formular for studio tracks.
OLD formular means:
Great energy tracks, no more Live instruments needed, cos they were not took into consideration
NEW formular means:
Great tracks, but programmed and produced in that way, that you need something live on stage as extra [instruments], to get the full energy of that track. Liam needs to consider this reorganisation.
In early days all the LIVE Extras [Drums and Guitar] hasn´t a big role in the set, they were played in the background just for addition - Liam produced full playable tracks, there was no need for more Live instruments. Fans were disoriented the first time they saw a guitar player live on stage during prodigy-gigs, cos they only expected electronic music.
In an old interview Liam was asked, why there is a guitar player on stage now and not i.e. a drummer even more and he only answered: "The prodigy will be electronic music. To bring an extra drummer on stage will confuse the fans ..."
We all know today: He lies !!!
Now with this guitars and drummers all this changes a little bit, the nowadays live played instruments are more in the foreground, so they are more dominating all the NEW tracks.
Now the problem is, that all the new produced tracks sound empty if you made a studio version of them without the Live instruments and that´s the result of it - cos of the old formular Liam will keep for studio material. That´s the reason, why all new tracks doesn´t sound phat for you.
Compare it with "Spitfire". The AONO version is great, but a little bit empty, cos of too big gaps in the beats. That´s the reason why the 2005 version was released as single: This version gets only those extra beats, wich were played live before as extra to the original AONO version and now it´s more powerful.
So, just add some drums like Pepper played them Live to "First Warning"
and you will have you full fat energy power track back again...
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TMWKTM
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:39 am |
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@ Flachcracker
What I'm saying has nothing to do with the live guitars and drums. I mean the songs just sounds flat TO ME in the studio version. I've listened to Prodigy enough in my life to be able to tell the difference between some live guitars and stuff. The old tracks such as SMBU and Diesel Power as two good examples sound great live, but they still have the full phat sound on the album versions. Where as the new tracks just seem to lose something in the studio versions. I don't even know what exactly, it's somewhat intangible. It's just what I personally hear. Again, I wanna wait to hear the CD version of Warning, not some Myspace version.
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bokorugro
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:58 am |
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GeneralPosts: 2375Location: TexasJoined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:07 am
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i like it but....i will say also that it is not his best offering to date it is great for a soundtrack definitely. prodigy is a live band and most of their stuff sounds better live. i wish that the last few releases- back 2 skool, warning and wake the fuck up would have also been released with full vocals as they are when preformed live.
they all lose some of their balls...imo...without the vocals
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rolmo
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:50 am |
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SergeantPosts: 443Joined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:09 pm
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yesssss i finally heard it! it's a cool track but it gets boring towards the end i think. I'd like to compare first warning to rhythm of life which has a similar vibe.
so if you compare these two i understand why some folks are so upset about the production. liam scrapped a technique he usually uses. on older tracks there is some reverb and delays on drums and some instruments. that produces more dimensions to the tunes. you can hear this also on firestarter and diesel power. besides that the live experience is always depending on the sound scenery of each venue. there you'll always get your special reverb.
and perhaps the bass seems more stronger then. first warning is fully packed in the mid-range but lesser on the lowe-range. this could as well be because of the mp3 compression.
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Diesel
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:22 am |
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GruntPosts: 79Location: Brentwood, Essex (UK)Joined: Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:23 pm
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Lets just take a look at something...
Wake The Fuck Up - A live intro never really intended for release, was just something he thought he might as well put on back to mine...
Back 2 Skool - Another live intro, something never really meant to be a full track, but it was heavy at the gigs and people really really like this version so he put it as a bonus track on the greatest hits album...
Warning - A live track which was written a few years ago now (probably bits of it written even longer ago) and at first Liam was really into releasing. But by the time the Pukkelpop remix surfaced he wasn't into releasing it, he was reluctant and tbh who can blame him...
Razor - Now this is an odd one. I think it was something the band wanted to release, but it isn't new... so they put in on the greatest hits beacuse "it really fits on there"... (personally I thought this track was brilliant, some disagree)
My point? Well all these tracks are live tracks (except maybe Razor) which were released to just to sort of keep us happy... especially Back 2 Skool and Wake The Fuck Up. (WTFU was only a mash up, but I like it, wasn't a serious prodigy track but it was a great track...)
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