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Sergeant Posts: 411Location: BelgiumJoined: Fri May 02, 2008 1:33 pm
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It's probably because I don't make music myself and know shit about it, but I don't hear anything wrong with this reamped version...
what's a dodgy time stretch artifact? How does something sound 'compressed'? Why are wtfu and B&E05' examples of not-rawness? Can somebody explain me quickly(if possible) how I can 'hear' this kind of things? Or give me some good references to figure something out myself? Thanks in advance 
What I sometimes think is that some of the old beats are mixed up with the new one he added over it, which is makes it a bit of a chaos, but I would say I like that about it hehe. |
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Grunt Posts: 60Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:10 pm
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A dodgy time stretch artifact is basically when you can tell that the length of a sample has been edited. It can be a variety of things, such as flanging or whatever. It's fairly noticeable.
Compression, to put it simply, is making loud sounds quiet and quiet sounds loud. Over-compression is where you have no volume range whatsoever and it starts to sound a bit muddy and unclear. Compression isn't all bad, though. It's quite complicated I'd read up on it on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_level_compression http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range Can't really say much on "non-rawness" as it's a qualitative thing mainly, difficult to describe. It generally means that there's not really any depth to it, it sounds too "fake", too clean. Can't tell you how to learn this stuff though. I don't know how I learned this stuff. Read wikipedia and soundonsound or something I guess? hope this helps |
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General Posts: 1028Location: AmsterdamJoined: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:16 pm
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Ekko wrote: MoozeBlaster wrote: Ekko wrote: Better than the original but really shitty mix. I think Liam needs to take some mixing lessons from contemporary electrinc artists, they all get better results than him... I agree on the quality on this mix. But its not a real single or anything. Also, there is nothing wrong with Liam's mixing-skills. Its just lazyness IMO. Remeber FOTL? Thats Liam's album. He did that.. and that album was just perfect when it comes to the technical part.. Spot on. Liam knows how to mix shit, but I had this slight feeling, that, since he moved into the digital only domain, he doesn't know how to do anymore. Or has gotten lazy... Coz FOTL (and for my ears also Jilted and even EXP. in a way) sounded way ahead of everyone else in the electronic scene. Listening today to FOTL makes me think he even sonically/technically created a milestone. All while mixing most of the tracks at home still in earthbound... It just sounds not as crazily compressed as the current ed-banger-like shit (luckily), but frequency-wise absolutey dirty AND clean mixed. Well, even if the re-amp is meant to be a goodie - c'mon, it's Liam. He used to have really tight quality control, why put out some half-baked stuff now... Other versions being played just live sounded better. My guess is, he's suffering a little from listening fatigue by now. True, it is not something anyone would be waiting for. but you see a lot of half-baked stuff coming from artists nowadays. Somehow they are all experimenting with formats for releases. You see a lot of free or online-only tracks appearing whereas actual albums take forever. |
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 GeneralPosts: 2089Location: Melbourne, AustraliaJoined: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:22 pm
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Socrates wrote: Why are wtfu and B&E05' examples of not-rawness?
you read me slightly wrong. i was saying that liams new favourite thing is, making everything raw sounding, in interviews hes stated tracks like warriors dance still have cracks and pops in the samples because they are from low quality sources. run with the wolves also uses a bad quality sample (the guitar stab used throughout) that sounds as if its directly sourced from a youtube video. liam calls that raw, i call it lazy ( either that or something maybe wrong with his hearing). something can sound nasty (in a good way) without coming from a low quality source or produced with low quality settings in the DAW or just by ignoring/embracing the fact that it sounds like shit. if you are using high-end audiophile headphones as I am you'll hear these issues much more noticeably. thru an average car stereo you probably wont
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 Captain Posts: 650Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:06 pm
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I know what you mean, the quality of the mix of the re-amped version does sound a bit shit. It sounds to me like the bottom end hasn't been mixed that well, the bass conflicts with the kick, prob where Liam was too lazy to mix the track again with the new drums n just used the mix from the album version, thats why it doesn't really sound too good. Am I wrong?
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 PrivatePosts: 138Joined: Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:44 pm
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warrior wrote: run with the wolves also uses a bad quality sample (the guitar stab used throughout) that sounds as if its directly sourced from a youtube video. ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!
liam calls that raw, i call it lazy ( either that or something maybe wrong with his hearing). |
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 GeneralPosts: 2924Location: italyJoined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:44 pm
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also if i like that track i agree with you.
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 GeneralPosts: 6933Location: Scotland UKJoined: Wed May 23, 2007 2:57 pm
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yeah i always thought the guitar stabs at the start were like shitty 60kbs mp3's or something
 thats not raw at all, its shit
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 PrivatePosts: 194Location: USAJoined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:50 pm
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live4ever2008 wrote: I know what you mean, the quality of the mix of the re-amped version does sound a bit shit. It sounds to me like the bottom end hasn't been mixed that well, the bass conflicts with the kick, prob where Liam was too lazy to mix the track again with the new drums n just used the mix from the album version, thats why it doesn't really sound too good. Am I wrong?
Im quoting you but also replying to the last few posts aswell.. Tracks like the re-amp most likley are not going thru the production process that the entire album did. While Liam may be the 'mastermind', it's people like Neil McLellan that have helped shape the sound of Prodigys tracks. Comparing the IMD demo versions to the final release gives you an idea of what I mean. Even when compared to AONO, Razor & Bak 2 Skool lack some production- I think it was JJ who said "it sounds like it was recorded right off the output of his laptop" this is all speculation on my part, at least.
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| GeneralPosts: 2089Location: Melbourne, AustraliaJoined: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:22 pm
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IVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT ITS COS LIAM USES A MAC.
HAPPY WORLD CAPSLOCK DAY |
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| GeneralPosts: 1788Joined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:52 pm
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dUFE wrote: I think it was JJ who said "it sounds like it was recorded right off the output of his laptop"
Nope, it wasn't me who said that. |
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| CaptainPosts: 650Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:06 pm
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warrior wrote: IVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT ITS COS LIAM USES A MAC.
HAPPY WORLD CAPSLOCK DAY Ha, well, logics eq isn't the best going, qualitywise
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| SergeantPosts: 411Location: BelgiumJoined: Fri May 02, 2008 1:33 pm
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thanks for the responses, I guess my gutfeeling about rawness was right
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 PrivatePosts: 136Location: cannock, er, near birmingham! englandJoined: Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:32 pm
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Quote: Even when compared to AONO, Razor & Bak 2 Skool lack some production- I think it was JJ who said "it sounds like it was recorded right off the output of his laptop"
this is all speculation on my part, at least. yeah i hear wot ur saying. i was really looking forward to hearing bak 2 skool when it came out. i thought wot a banger of a track thats gonna be, but unfortunately it sounded pants.
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| GeneralPosts: 2089Location: Melbourne, AustraliaJoined: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:22 pm
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b2s: first time i heard it live, wicked, second time i heard it thru my own PA i had at the time, still wicked, now i play it and hear thru montors n hear how rough it is. i pretty much expect all production to be rough from now on to avoid dissappointment, FOTL was just too good. IMD isnt that bad overall, at least its got warmth. i think the whole rough sound thing stemmed from liams drunken adventure with AONO, it just doesnt translate well with the faster tracks i guess
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