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Montana
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:11 pm |
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SergeantPosts: 475Location: BerlinJoined: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:21 pm
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maybe.
i know the beatsteaks since begin, they are from my hometown. i was an every apes gig in berlin, 5 times. nothing compare to my 16 prodigy gigs all over europe. and hell ya, maybe not in poland. but at saturday i saw a guy with a broken arm, my back was all over with blood from other people. an i dont want to imagine what happens when the crowd collapse with the wall.drunken people, litle girls, giys on drugs. but i dont want to discuss about it!!
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Wiper666
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:37 pm |
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GruntPosts: 1Location: PolandJoined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:32 pm
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climbatize92
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:21 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 1663Location: Paris, FranceJoined: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:17 pm
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Chaosu wrote: Montana wrote: @Chaosu
U dont wanna compare the pure madness from a prodigy gig with other gigs? no way, and i was on many rock, metall acts, nothing compares with prodigy I was afraid you will start bragging about that. The truth is that you could have been on other metal bands but you haven't been on them in Poland. Get to circle pit or wall of death on woodstock or any other proper gig and you will admit that Prodigy fans are rather quiet. Check this at 6th minute, look at all those dangerous flags around... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i4PimCztVoor this at 5:20, the rain was heavy all gig long, lots of mud for sure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxtgBfDT ... re=relatedhave you seen that on Prodigy gig?
I agree with you. I saw The Big 4 in France this summer and it was fuking mental. a big circle pit and very hard moshing near me at Slayer live I don't even talk about Master of Puppets played later
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NEOREV
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:07 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 3849Location: USAJoined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:56 pm
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Whoever said they didn't say goodbye at the end of Out Of Space is talking shit and needs to get their ears cleared cuz I watched a vid and Maxim clearly says thank you and respect to all of you at the end before they walk off. SO if ya gonna talk shit, then let it be something that is actually true.
And telling people to take a step back, is for the people in front's sake that are being crushed by over 600,000 people.
Sounds like poor planning on the festival's part.
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:58 am |
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GruntPosts: 35Joined: Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:59 pm
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I've worked in the pit for 10 years. The pit is there for the crowd's protection, not the band's. If people are being crushed then they can be pulled out. Every major (and most minor) festivals in the world have these barriers in place with good reason. It would be irresponsible to play that gig and not have the barriers in place. The alternative would be headlines talking about all the poor kids who died at a gig because of poor planning. To complain about provisions for your own safety is idiocy.
Just because no-one has died yet doesn't mean in won't happen.
Get a grip.
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Chaosu
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:36 pm |
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MajorPosts: 735Location: PolandJoined: Wed May 23, 2007 12:08 pm
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Yeah dude, because you worked in pit on europe's biggest, hassle free festival you really know that it have to be there. I just posted random videos showing how massive is the crowd and how they surprisingly do well without pit. Seriously, these guys have been doing this for years and you all know better? This festival due to specific attitude gathers lot of bad reviews without a reason. While it's organised very well it's still often criticised because someone fall off a train when going to/from festival and media totally skip all the great aspects just to find some drama. Do you think this 500,000+ capacity festival magically skips all security demands that are required by massive events regulatons in Poland? And just because you can't believe/understand that it works you claim to know better than organisators?
Get a grip.
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*PinHead*
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:26 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 3303Location: DoglandJoined: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:49 pm
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why the hell do you complain this much?you sound like they tied you up to a tree and din't enjoy the show properly as a result.you were there,you heard them play,you jumped around you had fun.what else is there to say.fence or no fence
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Chaosu
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:35 pm |
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MajorPosts: 735Location: PolandJoined: Wed May 23, 2007 12:08 pm
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*PinHead* wrote: why the hell do you complain this much?you sound like they tied you up to a tree and din't enjoy the show properly as a result.you were there,you heard them play,you jumped around you had fun.what else is there to say.fence or no fence
I don't complain at all, you can read all my posts and verify. I'm just defending festival. I have commented earlier on gig, it was ok, nothing special but I expected it and I enjoyed it. Also I realize that barriers issue was due to management so I don't blame the band like perhaps others do.
Anyway, I know some of you will just know better (well I do too) so I will stop arguing. Post-festival interview with organiser was posted and I will translate it for you. Prodigy made no comments so we will have at least one point of view on this case (for now). You believe it, you believe not, I won't argue anymore.
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climbatize92
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:02 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 1663Location: Paris, FranceJoined: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:17 pm
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aurel
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:39 pm |
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GruntPosts: 6Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:35 pm
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Quote: The safety barrier was insisted on by the bands’ manager John Fairs to protect the crowd; to allow access of security and medical staff to the fans, who were pulling people out and over the barrier when they had exhaustion etc, also to allow water to be given to the audience, including the fireman’s hose that was cooling the crowd - none of this would have been possible with the crowd directly in front of the stage without a safety barrier to protect them.
I just would like to point out, that firetrucks were driving around during whole festival, not only while Prodigy was playing. I was there on Airborn, just by the stage, no barriers, but still I got all wet thanks to firemen. Crowed was letting firetrucks let through, as well as medical staff. Crowd on Woodstock is not a big angry beast, it is mass of nice and happy people.
So it is possible.
There's one thing that management of Prodigy do not understand. No-barriers is one of main rules on Woodstock. It is because Woodstock stands for freedom. There was one time, when people who called themselves "Comity of Morality" blocked festival, and Owsiak must have anounced, that Woodstock is off this year. People AND THE BANDS came anyway. People didn't put up any barriers for themselves - they just came, listened to music and had fun.
That is why it is so controversial, what Prodigy did. This year - barriers, next year bands are gonna be paid, next time they gonna close the area and give tickets. You're destroying Woodstock and it's spirit.
Still, I must say, I would forgive and forget - if Prodigy gave a great show. And they didn't. They played well, but they said almost nothing to the crowd (except of course those two fucking steps back...). After show that Helloween gave and just after Airborn - it was like Prodigy didn't care enough. I didn't feel any connection and it was sad, because i liked this band very much before the concert, and after - not so much.
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Chaosu
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:54 pm |
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MajorPosts: 735Location: PolandJoined: Wed May 23, 2007 12:08 pm
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i can just giggle on this press relase. please give me a hour to finish the translation of Mr Owsiak statement and make your point then. i'm not going to argue anymore anyway.
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mouzz
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:06 pm |
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Chaosu wrote: Yeah dude, because you worked in pit on europe's biggest, hassle free festival you really know that it have to be there. I just posted random videos showing how massive is the crowd and how they surprisingly do well without pit. Seriously, these guys have been doing this for years and you all know better? This festival due to specific attitude gathers lot of bad reviews without a reason. While it's organised very well it's still often criticised because someone fall off a train when going to/from festival and media totally skip all the great aspects just to find some drama. Do you think this 500,000+ capacity festival magically skips all security demands that are required by massive events regulatons in Poland? And just because you can't believe/understand that it works you claim to know better than organisators?
Get a grip.
The safety system at Roskilde Festival also worked well for a long long time and they believed it was save until the sound system failed one night in 2000 and the crowd surged forward. Nine people died as people could not escape in the 'safety' system and were crushed to death. Crowd surfing saved lives that night as people could be helped behind the barrier by first aid people straight away. If you would have a surge forward at woodstock people would be crushed against the stage with no way to escape, remember what happened at the love parade this year? Start realizing that instead of defending your beloved festival.
Because it worked in the past does not mean it is save, be glad that nobody had to die before this lack of safety measures is addressed. Every big festival has the barriers to protect the people so actually to protect you. And the statement just released shows the woodstock festival indeed skipped safety measures which are standard for a major festival.
And btw about those movies you posted you should come to see Prodigy in Holland because we do have walls of deaths, circle pits, complete mayhem in the pit and fist aid behind the barriers to help people
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prodigalOne
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:35 pm |
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LieutenantPosts: 511Location: New York CityJoined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:43 pm
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uh....seriously? every fucking festival has a barrier. fuck off if you don't want one
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Chaosu
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:44 pm |
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MajorPosts: 735Location: PolandJoined: Wed May 23, 2007 12:08 pm
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source: http://owsiaknet.pl/channel/blog/27495555#video
Quote: (part of interview about prodigy starts, short questions are interviewer, answers are Mr. Owsiak, my comments or additional info or explanation in [] brackets) -What were they thinking... -...when they demanded barriers? It was writen in their contract, I'm not saying it wasn't. And that was the only band that had this written in contract, and we were trying to convince them and said "listen, you will see when you arrive here that barriers are not necessery. our middleman [Mystic Production as we just read in press release] confirmed that, when talking with them, that the band agreed. -but not on paper -yes, it wasn't written anywhere. but to finish that [finish his thought?], because barriers were delivered. so [prodigy] crew arrived the day before. they saw the gigs. Helloween, where there was massive crowd in front of stage. this is somehow tested [confirmed, verified]. it's not random logistics, like unless something bad happens... when people see 4m high wall in front of them, wall of stage, they do have to come back to see anything, because they reached end. they won't see a thing there. we are even telling them that if they are exhausted during the gig they can sit right there under the stage wall. because when you are there you can't even see a screen, nothing. because of that people [there] are naturally walking away [from the crowd] and all gigs, even of very hard music, Papa Roach, or various metal bands had no reasons to change those rules. these rules were formed in years and when we present festivals summary to officials [government etc.] they also accept that: it's going to be this way.
Someone from Prodigy [crew] came, looked at that and said "ok, i see, this is different ideology", [especially] when he saw that this massive crowd can escape [there in front] so easily. 12 hours before the gig he changed his mind, and i got this evening call, people are already having fun [on gigs] and i already know that i have to organise barriers. these were special barriers, we didn't have ones like that [ready]. they are special and we had to get them from Gdansk [or Tczew, like we have been told on festivals site, both cities about 350-375km away] and they arrived. and then we showed them another miracle, which they didn't want to believe. they were never on that big gig. i value them, this is worlds class band. this is worlds class management, those are worlds best festivals [that they are playing all over the world]. but those are festivals for 40-100 thousands of people. -right, we checked that they played for biggest crowd in Brasil, 60 thousands [interviewer was clearly misinformed as we know] -so what's happening now. we said that we will set up these barriers during the previous [support] band, it was Gentleman. Where crowd for The Prodigy was already waiting. He said that it's more probable [it will happends first/quicker, not sure how to say that in English] that the Red Sea will be divided than we will set up those barriers during a gig. No miracles like that possible. [He said] We need squad of police to move people. And like you saw, i said from the stage, that I ask people to move 10m back because we need to set up that stuff. people moved back and we did setup them. when i was walking past him i asked "is it ok?" and he just said one word, "bit awry". so it was ok [a bit of laugh?], we set them up, they were there and we fulfilled every single demand.
and later this crowd did it's stuff [pushing in front?] so there was a bit of hysteria [fear?] from managements side and i were telling them "easy, just let us do something more. you turned off all the lights. we allways have some lighs on so people can see themselves [in crowd, see the crowd] to make it safe." this caused so much pressure [on management, because they were afraid?] that all lights were turned on [i don't know if he refers to gig or pre-gig]. and we took firebrigades inside, with firehoses and people were later saying "what a great gig, not only we listed to great music, were also cooled with water from firehoses". this was also a bit educational because firebrigades were both Polish and German [festival is very close to German border and various services cooperates/works together]. so, we got this topic done [about The Prodigy]. -but it was a bit of bad blood for you [this is how i say that in English?] -yes, much. because it's not our ideology. it's like telling people, who wrote emails to us later "why they don't trust us. we build this festival in years, we know how it should look like. and we know that when you [Mr Owsiak] tell us something from stage we do listen to that and do that". otherwise [if they wouldn't understand that] they would cry about queues to water taps, queues to shops, because there are always queues. [he continues saying that people were positive the day after even despite waiting in traffic jams etc., because they understand the ideology, the spirit]
[later part of interview mentioning safety] we had aprox. 700 cases in our field hospital. 90% of that was faints, swoons, insect bites and injuries from opening cans. we had 8 cases of hospitalization and this was convultions or heavy injuries/broken bones, completly not related to massive crowd. this crowd cared very much for themselves and i thank them very much for that. enjoy. mouzz wrote: Crowd surfing saved lives that night as people could be helped behind the barrier by first aid people straight away. If you would have a surge forward at woodstock people would be crushed against the stage with no way to escape
no idea why you think that woodstock have no crowd surfing to help people get out, no first aid people to help straight away and that there would be no way to escape in emergency situation. open your mind?
i'm off.
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*PinHead*
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:55 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 3303Location: DoglandJoined: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:49 pm
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i can't believe all this is happening.good for you and all your ideology.bottom line the contract said they need barricades,fuckin promoter accepted.the european safety regulations say every gig must have barricades.
after the gig started people actually started to push forward so it looks like the barricades were needed.
it's not about what injuries happened or accidents.it's about what could happen.and like it said in the press release.it hapened in roskilde.it happened at love parade.good for you no tragedies happened at this festival and i hope they wont either,but that doesn't mean you don't have to take safety measures.
anyway they should have explained all of this in detail to the management of the band before the contract was signed.as i see it the band did nothing wrong.
Quote: aurel
There's one thing that management of Prodigy do not understand. No-barriers is one of main rules on Woodstock. It is because Woodstock stands for freedom. There was one time, when people who called themselves "Comity of Morality" blocked festival, and Owsiak must have anounced, that Woodstock is off this year. People AND THE BANDS came anyway. People didn't put up any barriers for themselves - they just came, listened to music and had fun. That is why it is so controversial, what Prodigy did. This year - barriers, next year bands are gonna be paid, next time they gonna close the area and give tickets. You're destroying Woodstock and it's spirit.
Still, I must say, I would forgive and forget - if Prodigy gave a great show. And they didn't. They played well, but they said almost nothing to the crowd (except of course those two fucking steps back...). After show that Helloween gave and just after Airborn - it was like Prodigy didn't care enough. I didn't feel any connection and it was sad, because i liked this band very much before the concert, and after - not so much.
woodstock as far as i know actually takes place in the european union where there safety regulations for festivals,most of them to protect ignorants like you from harm.also about the pay kindly fuck off.if they wanted to be payed they wouldn't have come to the festival.instead they did,for free.to entertain you,little shit.
now you would of forgive them if they did a great show?but they didn't cause they didn't said nothing to the crowd?they are a dance band,with no political message.you want message?got to a madonna concert and her her preach about world peace.or better yet got to a those whore who call themselves u2 and hear bono preach about poverty.or even better attend one of bob geldof's events.
listen to you little cunts,the band distroyed the idea of the festival they surely straped you all down and guarded you with police and you couldn't do anything about it.
ungrateful bitches that's what you all are.blowing this all out of proportion with the minds of inexperienced 12 year old virgins who believe the whole world is against them and their ideals of freedom.you want someone to blame?blame the fuckin organizer for his lack of proffesionalism.he is the only cunt responsible for the so called ,,fiasco''.next time learn to not lie in a legal contract.
all of this because of a fucking fence.a fence that 99,99 percent of the people didn't even see or come into contact with it so they weren't affected either by it's presence or the lack of it.
please mods close this topic.only drama here
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