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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:53 am
GruntGruntPosts: 22Joined: Mon May 29, 2023 7:25 am
The album 'Always outnumbered, never outgunned' celebrates 20s anniversary this year , although maybe a little late, still the question about the title meaning was never disclosed as far as I know.

On wikipedia it says "The title is a play on the name of the Walter Mosley novel Always Outnumbered, Always Outgunned. "

But I rather wondered if the final track "Shoot down" with lyrics like "Shoot the gun" was meant to be the title track of the album in combination with Spitfire lyrics "Fire " . (referring obviously to "never outgunned."



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:16 pm
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I'd say the title came from what Liam was feeling at the time. Keef and Maxim were doing their own thing and the three of them were barely speaking and weren't available for the studio when Liam called them up so he felt outnumbered but not outgunned because he did the album without them anyway. Just a guess.



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:31 am
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I always wondered these "Shoot down " lyrics what do they mean ?

"Shoot the gun" what is meant ?



(gun is it meant metaphorical for phallus ?)

"To the bang bang bang"

like "Gang bang "



Seriously please do not delete this question.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:12 am
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Re-release 24 August, 2LP but no special edition or additional tracks

https://shop.xlrecordings.com/release/4 ... -outgunned



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 11:28 am
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subtract wrote:
Re-release 24 August, 2LP but no special edition or additional tracks

https://shop.xlrecordings.com/release/4 ... -outgunned


Another missed opportunity.
So many unreleased tracks from that era


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 8:36 pm
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subtract wrote:
Re-release 24 August, 2LP but no special edition or additional tracks

https://shop.xlrecordings.com/release/4 ... -outgunned


23rd according to juno and XL site.

Same day as Reading if that's the case.

And they're playing France on Jilted's anniversary.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:50 am
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Harbinger wrote:
subtract wrote:
Re-release 24 August, 2LP but no special edition or additional tracks

https://shop.xlrecordings.com/release/4 ... -outgunned


23rd according to juno and XL site.

Same day as Reading if that's the case.

And they're playing France on Jilted's anniversary.



Got the vinyl 2 days ago :) XL sends them already.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:24 am
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methamorphosis wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
subtract wrote:
Re-release 24 August, 2LP but no special edition or additional tracks

https://shop.xlrecordings.com/release/4 ... -outgunned


23rd according to juno and XL site.

Same day as Reading if that's the case.

And they're playing France on Jilted's anniversary.



Got the vinyl 2 days ago :) XL sends them already.


It is complete Shoot Down of the version that cuts early?



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 12:23 pm
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methamorphosis wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
subtract wrote:
Re-release 24 August, 2LP but no special edition or additional tracks

https://shop.xlrecordings.com/release/4 ... -outgunned


23rd according to juno and XL site.

Same day as Reading if that's the case.

And they're playing France on Jilted's anniversary.



Got the vinyl 2 days ago :) XL sends them already.



Is the catalogue number just XL183?



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 3:47 pm
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[quote

It is complete Shoot Down of the version that cuts early?[/quote]

what do you mean? in which release(s) can we find that version?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:23 pm
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When 'Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned' was first released, the UK CD version had an error during production which clipped off the last second or so of 'Shoot Down' (I don't know if there was ever another production run of the UK CD with the error corrected). The UK Vinyl version had the full version of 'Shoot Down'. The US release of the CD has the bonus track 'More Girls' after 'Shoot Down'. 'Shoot Down' is not clipped on the US CD. I presume the same applies to the Japanese release CD. Discogs lists 'Shoot Down' with a 4:32 runtime for the US and Japanese CD but 4:31 for the UK CD.


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