Seeing the image, imagining the sweet sounds ...

so let me get this straight:

you're saying that Activated Content CTO Evan Hill is lying, and that Universal and Sony/BMG are paying for a product that doesn't work?

I mean, the fucking Fraunhofer Institute has published papers on this! ... a research organization with over 12,000 scientists and engineers would lie about their results?!

Audio Watermarking of MPEG-2 AAC Bit Streams

Man, stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking![/url]

i've studied this a bit, but im sure if you put a filter through it or had it record without certain frequences (the freqences of the watermark data) they would not get recorded through, but figuring out the right frequency is bound to take a Long Long Time

now you just need to get your hands on the promo and do it!

... naah . There are hidden individual subliminal verses played backwards in the background on each track which said: "This promo was given to XXX who lives in XXX and now he´s fucked !"

I guess, it would work with cassettes and mini-discs but who cares about it, if the person pre-oredered the album.

I just wanna have one of those promos just to have a unique physical piece for my collection.... that´s it.

I'm with you on that. It looks freaking awesome for something so simple !!

Hahahaha! The CD has been watermarked for a reason! To stop impatient shits like yourselves from spreading it about. Just be patient for fuck sake, there's not that long to wait!

that's kind a cool that album isn't floating anywhere

watermark - new weapon for leaking?

Nope man, he's right. What do you think how these bits will transport, telepathy???

If the arses of Universal and wtf tell you this system is unfailable, why do you think they do?

You have to understand when somebody is manipulating you, dude.

It might even be enoug to alter small things in the bit structure of the song, like speeding it up 0.1%, so you change the entire table of bits but keep the song intact enough to not loose listening pleasure.

Let me dudes tell you one very important thing: The war of copiers against distributers was over since the invention of mp3, the arrival of fast web-connection and the first version of napster and it will never be changed, only (-if, at all-) mader harder for copiers, spreaders aso.
As long as you can hear a signal, you will always have some sort of possibility to hijack it, wheter it's coded or whatnot, the rest is just trying to disguise / loose / disable the 'spyware' in it.

So, the album WILL leak, if it's gonna be done by a smart person or an idiot than can be traced - we'll see.

guys,sorry about my ignorance,but what does watermark means?

a water mark is something that u can identify and doesnt affect the product

example in photos (see my copyright notice and myspace link?)



in audio it can be bits of audio a human cant detect or a voice over the tracks saying something like "new record coming out in xxxxxxx".

Theres some good ideas here..
I just read this:
http://www.cmlab.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~dynam ... index.html


What about looking into which watermarking method they use?

Rip a wav file.
add another watermark on top.
Change speed with +0,75%
D/A A/D conversion
Add one more watermark
Change speed with -1% (may be useless or do harm as the new track will be only 0,25% from the original)
Re-encode to MP3

Should be possible to break the threshold? Anyone got a watermarking program to test with? Preferably 2 different programs, so that we can see how it reacts if we do not add a watermark of the same type as used originally.

I'm not saying the system can't fail, or that the album won't leak. I'm saying that if you play the promo on your stereo and record it from the speakers, the watermark will still be intact and whatever record company can still identify what promo has been leaked. What Chaosu is saying is that such watermarking would not remain intact, iow that the boys at Activated Content are lying their asses off.

Though, I guess the only way to really find out is to actually do it. But I'd rather wait a couple of more weeks than to have a leak that was recorded through.

Word!

It's a sad news for computernerds who grown up with pirate stuff of everything..

I love it!

In other words - we need a Pole who knows his shit. .