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Author:  kari2000 [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:59 am ]
Post subject:  We Are The Ruffest (First mix???)
Is it a common knowledge that there are 2 versions of We Are The Ruffest track?

I have a bootleg compilation called "Everlasting Fire" and there is this early version of the track. Does anyone knows origin of this version. My guess is that it´s on early CD releases of Wind It Up single, or some promo cd of that era. This isn´t vinyl rip, because it have a cd quality (highs are clearer, no vinyl noise ect.). Track is almost indentical to well known mix, but drums are more raw and there are less layered beats. Also some effects are lacking to compared to final version. One can hear that this is earlier version of the track.

I asked a guy who has a YouTube channel of Prodigy stuff to release it, i´m waiting his answer... It´s probably not ok to send a link of the track over here...or how to share it with you?
Author:  Trawizz [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:26 am ]
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A common knowledge? I have only heard one. You probably just heard a remastered version from Experience Expanded and the single version.
Author:  kari2000 [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:59 am ]
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Here is a short clip to avoid copyright violation. Does anybody knows about this mix..? It´s not about mastering issue..:-)

https://sndup.net/2kfj
Author:  jonyintheplace [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:34 pm ]
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I was going to say that this was nonsense but after listening to the short clip now I'm intrigued. I think it's the same mix but with some different (minor) arrangements...there's even a vocal "uh" after each beat that I cannot hear on the WIU single or the Expanded Experience version...


let us know what you find about this :)
Author:  James Jupiter [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:02 pm ]
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Is the track the exact same 5:20 length? The track is listed on official releases as being 5:30 but all my mp3 rips of the track from my CDs come in at 5:20 give or take a second.

For a bootleg compilation to have an 'unreleased' version would be very strange, especially considering all the other tracks were sourced from the official CD singles.

https://www.discogs.com/The-Prodigy-Eve ... ase/548299

Promos would have been vinyl or tape in 1993 but there are no Promos listed on Discogs for 'Wind It Up (Rewound)'. These are test pressing: -

https://www.discogs.com/The-Prodigy-Win ... se/8263444
https://www.discogs.com/The-Prodigy-Win ... se/2914151
Author:  Trawizz [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:41 pm ]
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You are totally right. I just checked all of my Wind It Up singles, and I have this different mix on 2 of them. The German Interchord single and the Torso Dance single from Holland aswell. The beats has more of a jungle feel, the synths sounds a bit more old school, and there's that "Ooh" sample that is way more direct, that loops with the main beats. The beats in the breaks sounds insane compared to the standard in my opinion. This mix sounds more rough and I even prefer this. I never heard these singles, i just collect them and assume the tracks are similar to the XL versions. Great notice! I wonder if there is more different mixes out there.

Alternate mix on these 2 releases:
https://www.discogs.com/The-Prodigy-Win ... ase/185281
https://www.discogs.com/The-Prodigy-Win ... ease/84080
Author:  jonyintheplace [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: We Are The Ruffest (First mix???)
Trawizz wrote:
You are totally right. I just checked all of my Wind It Up singles, and I have this different mix on 2 of them. The German Interchord single and the Torso Dance single from Holland aswell. The beats has more of a jungle feel, the synths sounds a bit more old school, and there's that "Ooh" sample that is way more direct, that loops with the main beats. The beats in the breaks sounds insane compared to the standard in my opinion. This mix sounds more rough and I even prefer this. I never heard these singles, i just collect them and assume the tracks are similar to the XL versions. Great notice! I wonder if there is more different mixes out there.

Alternate mix on these 2 releases:
https://www.discogs.com/The-Prodigy-Win ... ase/185281
https://www.discogs.com/The-Prodigy-Win ... ease/84080


I have just bought the Interchord release...I hope you are right mate!!
Author:  kari2000 [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:12 pm ]
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I compared tracks on Audacity and they are 99% same on arrangement level and lenght is same, this "earlier" mix just sounds a bit more demo like, which makes it interesting. Main drumloop sample is from Nu-Matic's - All Over Me, which is up front in that mix. Good to know that it can be found on those German and Holland official cd-singles, thanks for solving the mystery! :-)
Author:  Trawizz [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: We Are The Ruffest (First mix???)
jonyintheplace wrote:
Trawizz wrote:
You are totally right. I just checked all of my Wind It Up singles, and I have this different mix on 2 of them. The German Interchord single and the Torso Dance single from Holland aswell. The beats has more of a jungle feel, the synths sounds a bit more old school, and there's that "Ooh" sample that is way more direct, that loops with the main beats. The beats in the breaks sounds insane compared to the standard in my opinion. This mix sounds more rough and I even prefer this. I never heard these singles, i just collect them and assume the tracks are similar to the XL versions. Great notice! I wonder if there is more different mixes out there.

Alternate mix on these 2 releases:
https://www.discogs.com/The-Prodigy-Win ... ase/185281
https://www.discogs.com/The-Prodigy-Win ... ease/84080


I have just bought the Interchord release...I hope you are right mate!!


I am right about the ones i have ;)
I just ordered the vinyl by Torso, and I am not sure it is even on that one
Author:  sks2002 [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:21 pm ]
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I remember hearing this version via the russian forums back in 2018, It sounded like it was a mixing error.
Author:  jonyintheplace [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: We Are The Ruffest (First mix???)
Trawizz wrote:
jonyintheplace wrote:
Trawizz wrote:
You are totally right. I just checked all of my Wind It Up singles, and I have this different mix on 2 of them. The German Interchord single and the Torso Dance single from Holland aswell. The beats has more of a jungle feel, the synths sounds a bit more old school, and there's that "Ooh" sample that is way more direct, that loops with the main beats. The beats in the breaks sounds insane compared to the standard in my opinion. This mix sounds more rough and I even prefer this. I never heard these singles, i just collect them and assume the tracks are similar to the XL versions. Great notice! I wonder if there is more different mixes out there.

Alternate mix on these 2 releases:
https://www.discogs.com/The-Prodigy-Win ... ase/185281
https://www.discogs.com/The-Prodigy-Win ... ease/84080


I have just bought the Interchord release...I hope you are right mate!!


I am right about the ones i have ;)
I just ordered the vinyl by Torso, and I am not sure it is even on that one


thanks! if the Torso is this "demo" mix let me know cause I'd love to have it on vinyl too
Author:  Antz [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:06 pm ]
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It does have a demo feel, a bit like those different mixes of Android and Charly on that leaked tape.

Why has this only "recently" been noticed? Mind boggling!
Author:  sks2002 [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: We Are The Ruffest (First mix???)
Trawizz wrote:
jonyintheplace wrote:
Trawizz wrote:

I have just bought the Interchord release...I hope you are right mate!!


I am right about the ones i have ;)
I just ordered the vinyl by Torso, and I am not sure it is even on that one


thanks! if the Torso is this "demo" mix let me know cause I'd love to have it on vinyl too

I just found it and yeah, the song sounds unfinished in parts. The end part doesn't even have the echo for the bassdrum.
Author:  sks2002 [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:08 pm ]
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Antz wrote:
It does have a demo feel, a bit like those different mixes of Android and Charly on that leaked tape.

Why has this only "recently" been noticed? Mind boggling!

I remember hearing about it around 2017/2018. I found it weird and was planning onto uploading it to the prodigy warriors but for some reason I didn't. I guess that's good of me to not upload it there.
Author:  jonyintheplace [ Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: We Are The Ruffest (First mix???)
Antz wrote:
It does have a demo feel, a bit like those different mixes of Android and Charly on that leaked tape.

Why has this only "recently" been noticed? Mind boggling!


probably some people knew about it but wanted to keep it hidden for some childish and weird reason

typical behaviour of some prodigy collectors that I've noticed since the early 00's on the net
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