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| Author: | Progress Is Made [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:18 am ] |
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Hi All! This is a bit of a weird post for me and i'm not sure if its going to get any response. I've recently been struggling to deal with sobriety and all kinds of fucked up shit from the amount of weed i've smoked over the years. I'm starting to think that liams creative writing process may have been hindered in later life due to all the drugs he'd taken as a youth... We all know Liam is a creative genius, but do we think he's been producing this music completely sober or whilst doing some kind of substance.. I'm not really sure why i've asked this question but I'd like to see some opinion on it! |
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| Author: | KurtHectic [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:08 am ] |
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yeah definitely man. not sure that he was ever addicted but he's talked about taking a lot of drugs. wouldn't surprise me if he took a ton of drugs during Experience and Jilted generation and then everything went downhill after most of FoTL was done IMO people underestimate the power weed has over people mate i struggled with drugs too |
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| Author: | kkikx74 [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:13 am ] |
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weed is a lazy drug. its difficult to get addicted to it but its easy not to do anything if you smoke reguarly. one more thing - hes old hes not 25 anymore |
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| Author: | ChemicaL [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:39 am ] |
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Its a good question, dont worry about it. However, I think weed is the least of his problems. He went on a bender after FOTL and it lasted up until AONO I think. You can clearly hear he completely lost attention to detail, something which made him stood out amongst a shitload of simmilar artists. He lost depth and precision. Btw. a glimpse of his creative process can be seen in that "youtube documentary" where they explore the hidden messages in their videos, tracks, etc. |
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| Author: | memphis [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:40 am ] |
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i know he did experience while doing lots of weed. you can hear it from the tracks. i've done a lot of weed as well when i was younger and some harder drugs a couple of times. weed is safe imo, not when you're a total retard. as for harder drugs it's all about self control. for some it can fuck up your life, for others, it's all about how much, how often etc. when listening to jilted you can def hear other influences (maybe drugwise), but i guess liam's musical identity was evolving a lot back then which is documented in his music. i think drugs are essential for genius minds like liam. maybe a stupid statement, but listen to the music written in the 70s up to the 90s where druguse among the people in the music industry was normal. drugs open a up a whole new dimension for music and i say if it works for you, do it. i mean look at keith back in the day. mad! but they're too old for that shit now, at some point you just need to stop |
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| Author: | Elsewhere [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:03 am ] |
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i think if he would be solo artist, he would have lost it. but he has whole band behind supporting him and they are touring all times, thats a good sign. it would be real bad if theres a 2 year silence. he's not that sharp producer anymore, more slow and lost some eye for detail, still the mind of a rebel is still there and they still have hunger to shake up stream one more time. still i think both invaders and HTSAJF taking so long, it's both age/drinking/drugs and him being perfectionist. |
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| Author: | Progress Is Made [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:54 am ] |
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Thanks for all the response! I'm not gonna lie, i've been hooked on smoking weed and producing music for a very long time (it helps a lot with the writing process) I do believe that his last TRUE drugs binge was during fat of the land...I guess he got sober around the time BGAT came out because his style completely changed (we all know that AONO would've been a better album if he kept writing) I guess we all have to change one day, but i'm seriously worried that my creative streak will burn the fuck out... I'm 22 on saturday and I've still not released any music commercially, still on the dole and i've not performed since my macbook died on christmas day... I'm pretty sure HTSAJ will be their last...I'm starting to think a more rockier invaders must die... |
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| Author: | Progress Is Made [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:56 am ] |
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Elsewhere wrote: i think if he would be solo artist, he would have lost it. but he has whole band behind supporting him and they are touring all times, thats a good sign. it would be real bad if theres a 2 year silence.
he's not that sharp producer anymore, more slow and lost some eye for detail, still the mind of a rebel is still there and they still have hunger to shake up stream one more time. still i think both invaders and HTSAJF taking so long, it's both age/drinking/drugs and him being perfectionist. I definitely agree if he was a solo artist, he would've burnt out a long time ago... the band just made things easier to climb the ladder of success..something i'm failing to do right now >.> |
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| Author: | memphis [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:33 pm ] |
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releasing your music comercially is not success. success is you being proud and excited bout the tunes you've created. there's no money in it anyway unless you constantly perform live or produce pitbull style fastfoodcrap for the radios and that's never something to be proud about |
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| Author: | Progress Is Made [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:54 pm ] |
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memphis wrote: releasing your music comercially is not success. success is you being proud and excited bout the tunes you've created. there's no money in it anyway unless you constantly perform live or produce pitbull style fastfoodcrap for the radios and that's never something to be proud about
Looks like i need to start constantly performing live (once i can actually afford some basic laptop I do agree with commercial success there isn't much to be proud of.. I just want to release an album where you prodigy people rate what I've done... If I get interest from prodigy fans and alike I'll be happy! (EDIT) I needed to re-edit this post, i got myself a smoke tonight and I couldn't even wait till saturday to have it and start my music production... I've been playing the new prodigy live exit stuff but its weird how my love for these songs didn't have the WOW factor of when hearing the 08 clubsongs.. Maybe he is keeping the 'thunder' for the album? (I really should start doing that ha!) |
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| Author: | memphis [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:30 pm ] |
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EPs are the thing now. write a few tunes -> release/upload -> share -> get feedback |
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| Author: | Harbinger [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:24 am ] |
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I miss the 'journey' tracks, Weather Experience, The Narcotic Suite 3, Narayan etc. Those seem very druggy to me. I'm sure he could write those type again but seems to favour the short sharp punky tracks instead these days, shame. Guess it works better for the energetic live show. I miss the 90s, better drugs in the 90s 
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| Author: | NEOREV [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:39 am ] |
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Yeah "Omen Reprise" was too short to be a real journey track. The new album should be full on Prodigy and then the last three tracks should be 100% cinematic Liam. Make them their own section, a kind of three part connected tracks. A boy can dream can't he? I always thought for the live shows, especially to add some more time on them for a longer experience, that Liam should do a section like 3/4's of the way in to focus on their more journey tracks. Like do a 10-15 minute mash-up/reworking/remix of their journey tracks together for a nice little breather for the crowd live. Mix Weather Experience into Skylined into Narayan to Medusa's Path into Omen Reprise and then come back into the usual set into IMD Re-amped. Back on the topic of Liam's writing process... he finally starts letting us in and sharing some short clips of him fucking around with beats... and people bash him for it. Such a shame. Sure, he's giving us little nibbles... but wait when he wants to give us a glimpse at something big. If we keep bashing him, he'll won't continue sharing bits and pieces in the future. Just like how we complain we never get scrapped demos from him... but when he puts stuff up like "Eddie Cochran?" we bash the shit out of it. |
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| Author: | jilted [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:01 am ] |
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and getting back to drug topic... 
hav a look at Liam when IMD era started - looked like a zombie! from fat guy to quite skinny pale walking dead... and they all went nuts with tattoos. heavy i believe Liam or keith spoke this words a long time ago: 'drugs can open your mind, but also can shut it forever'. wise words to remember - using them sometimes opens your head, makes you creative, provokinf new thoughts, even changing your life. Too much drugs is building a cage. Shuts mind and makes you a stupid bitch. oh btw, im struggling with weed addiction. i just can't relax better afterwork than by smoking a good joint. i want to stop, but ... yeah. |
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| Author: | Progress Is Made [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:30 am ] |
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I actually agree about that! I swear he lost loads of weight allthroughout IMD..Probably with the amount of touring he was doing! I do believe that his drug habits have closed him off to the 3 minute punky edgy tracks, They've got balls but nothing can beat the Narcotic Suite for the trip he created. (I'm in some kinda belief that the drugs weren't the reason why his music has turned to 3 minute wonders...its the technology that creates distractions!) Also another thing, did Neil help write the tracks or did he only help with the process of mastering and mixing? |
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