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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:21 pm
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Seriously the more I listen to this song the more I fucking hate it. It's fucking everywhere too, every radio station, banners on the internet..... Ahhhhhhhhh. The name of the song says it all, it's just fucking bland and boring.

The mighty corporate dollar at work. Ain't it a beautiful thing? :roll:


PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:41 pm
bokorugro wrote:
c'mon tim don't hold back....tell us how you really feel :shock:

:laugh: You think I'm bad? Check out this post from DOA :laugh: Now that's a rant!

This is a response to the the new Pendulum : Now with 80% more Arrogance ! .

After reading the recent forum reply, in regards to the argument of them "Selling out", you can be sure i will be writing ALL Pendulum material off my list.

Coming from a fellow Australian, you guys really should take a good look at yourself, firstly you establish yourself as "producers", via which scene ? ............ hmmm well i will be
danmed!......... it was the FCKING DNB scene !, and you have the absolute arrogance *or is it just plain stupidity*, to go bag out the VERY scene which took you away from drinking XXXX, smoking dope, getting wired on weekends, and doing shit all with your lives over in Western Australia.

You blame "Led Zeppelin" and whatever other array of rubbish 70's rock groups you CHOOSE to be influenced by as the reason for your new found shit-as-all-hell hybrid of something vaguly resembling rock, and something vaguly resembling DNB!.

Take a moment to remember WHO THE PEOPLE ARE! that BROUGHT YOUR FREAKING TUNES to BEGIN WITH!..

You ARE SOLD OUT !, evidence of SOLD OUT! is not weather you are being pressured to write this or that, for monetary gain or satisfaction of the labels.......

SELLING OUT......... is then you believe yourself to be so special as to SHIT OVER and try to minimize the creative and artistic integrity and VIABLE mass appeal of the VERY GENRE and PEOPLE! passionate about the genre , that brought YOUR TUNES!

And now you have the audacity to turn around and say

"Pendulum was never a DNB Project" You got to be bloody kidding me ?

Where if you were not a DNB Project, then you sure as hell did a fantastic job being charlatan's !

My point is, go ahead and leave the people who made you,
YES THEY MADE YOU!, if they did not BUY your bloody tunes you would be NO ONE !....... FULL STOP........

Go ahead and seek your "mass" appeal, and meanwhile say goodbye to any support should your venture fail miserably !.

Secondly ! Many will take your arrogonace about the DNB scene as a absolute challenge, and there will come one who will rise above, as there always is......... and prove that this genre is still the most fertile, cutting edge and extremly creative, passionate and continually evolving forms of music yet to be witnessed.

Mark these words!, when you are a watered down wanna-be-mass-appeal pathetic rock hybrid, a underground star who is probably germinating right now, will bite your ass!, and show you how stupid and arrogant you lot were for dis'n this scene and its culture!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:13 pm
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The real question is: What do we call the new genre? I call it Shitstep or Turdcore...



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:34 pm
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BigSugar316 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
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OH NO YOU DIDN'T! :slap:


Oh yes he did and god bless him! :lol:

SHUT IT YOU AONO-HATER!!! :teeth:


Pipe down you fanboy! :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:36 pm
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At the end of the day, it is their choice what kind of music they make. If they want to make rock music, why should they still make DnB? Because some angry fans on DOA want them to?

Yes, it was us buying their singles/albums ages ago that got them started, but we can't complain because we got fucking good value for money. Hold Your Colour is one of the best albums I own and I am defiantly going to miss Rob making tunes like Another Planet and Through The Loop, but I wouldn't want Rob to keep making those tunes just because we want him to, if his heart isn't in DnB anymore he probably couldn't make any new DnB tunes as good as his old stuff anyway. While you're writing angry posts about how "gay" Pendulum are, please just remember you're talking about the producer of the some of the best Drum&Bass tunes to date.

Also I'd like to point out that their new tunes are in no way emo, go listen to some MCR and you'll see what emo music really is. It's not their fault if the emos have started to develop some taste for music and are buying tickets to see Pendulum.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:45 pm
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The same thing happened when Prodigy stopped making rave. The same thing happened when Pitchshifter stopped being industrial. The same thing happened when the Chems didn't make another Dig Your Own Hole. The same thing happened when... ah insert whatever band here.

Point is... some people liked it. Some didn't. If you don't like it... whatever. Go on and live in peace.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:46 pm
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BigSugar316 wrote:
I will absolutely not keep Prodigy in mind. Never did Liam produce anything this wank. The day he does, trust me I will have choice fucking words for him. Liam used all his influences to produce amazing tracks, some of the best electronic/dance tunes of all-time. Just saying "oh I was influenced by so and so" doesn't give you a free pass to make shit tunes. They keep saying Led Zeppelin was a big influence, trust me I know almost as much about Zeppelin as I do about Prodigy. There is absolutely nothing in either of these first two tunes which you cite as being influenced by Zeppelin aside from the fact that each uses a guitar in the songs!

The fact that Pendulum started out as a rock band just proves why they failed at that. It's too bad Rob was such a good DnB producer so that he could backdoor his crap rock to the forefront.

As you can tell I hate these new tunes. Some people like it, ok fine. One thing I think is pretty undeniable is that Rob is a terrible singer. Maybe if they had a real lead singer they would be ok. I didn't really think about it when I heard Granite, I just assumed it was some guest vocalist they had. But if he's going to be the singer on the majority of the tracks, then the rest will be just as bad.

Check out this song by a Canadian band I Mother Earth. This is what I was more expecting them to sound like as a rock band. Still keeping their heavy riffs, and smashing it up. Listen to the singer too. That's what a good rock band sounds like, not this failed outback-garage nonsense.

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I wouldn't agree with all of that, certainly not the second sentence lol, but the point I was trying to get across was these guys are the so called "new Prodigy" act... and much like Liam they come from the same influence genres... now whether this is an absolute failure or not on Pendulum's part, I was right when I said they were going to use their fame and big label deal to do what they wanted and not to be surprised if it goes away from drum & bass and moves to more of a rock thing or something. Rob has the talent to do drum & bass, but he's cocky and knows it and doesn't really care about the scene that people like Spor and Noisia have come up on so quickly. Between Pendulum, Spor, and Noisia.. none of them have stayed in drum & bass land.. Spor is breaking off into breaks and house like club styles.. and some of his new d&b demos have been shit honestly... Noisia were never a d&b act from the get go, it just happened to be the one genre much like Pendulum's case.. that got them in the door. Now Noisia own two labels, one for d&b, another for breaks, house, or whatever they want and they've been doing alot of the other stuff than d&b. It's quite shocking watching all these acts use d&b to get big and then toss it aside once they've gotten themselves somewhere. Pendulum are just a bit bigger and are openly pissing people off with their attitude and mentality. It's not that big of a loose comparison to Liam and Prodigy.. start out as a rave act, were labeled as killing it much like Pendulum were said to be ruining d&b... with every album Prodigy released they pissed off old fans and lost some, and gained some.. Pendulum are doing the same. It's the great cycle of big artists who have the mentality of doing whatever they want with no respect to where they came from or their fans who got them there through sales.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:47 pm
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Deviant_Tech wrote:
The same thing happened when Prodigy stopped making rave. The same thing happened when Pitchshifter stopped being industrial. The same thing happened when the Chems didn't make another Dig Your Own Hole. The same thing happened when... ah insert whatever band here.

Point is... some people liked it. Some didn't. If you don't like it... whatever. Go on and live in peace.


Exactly... you just stated my later half of my post below yours where I mention Prodigy starting out as a rave thing and so on


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:31 am
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I suppose i can't really say anything because i haven't heard the tracks live. When Joey first heard the song, he hated it (which he made clear on these forums). But after seeing Pendulum, he's had a completely new view on the tune.

I can say THIS though... Before i was looking forward to the next pendulum album, i'm afraid that now I'm not. I would much rather spend my money on bands like Underworld or Freestylers than waste it on an album I'll only touch twice and then forget about.

And Deviant_Tech, i've got two more bands/artists which have changed dramatically like Pendulum has.

Darude - famous for sandstorm, now singing and putting shame on trance.

Bomfunk MCs - Who doesn't remember Freestyler? but on their second album they changed completely for the worst.



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:53 am
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I remember freestyler! Man I haven't played that song in a few years!


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:51 am
Look at this old Pendulum thread someone revived from 2003. They were talking trash back then too :laugh:

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.ph ... 4&cache=43


PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:57 am
STOP THE PRESSES! PENDU-DRAMA COMES TO A CLOSE! PENDULUM LEAVE DOA!
(or so say they... I bet they still lurk lol)

From Rob of Pendulum:

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dnb's "major players" have told me to stop posting here and getting caught up in shit that a small minority constantly dish out...since they don't bother with it or post either, we should be above it... and i'm inclined to agree. i've asked XO to remove our accounts, except for our manager jho's one (pendulumhq) so that he can keep anyone who still wants to know updated, although most of our fans now have probably never even heard of DOA.

to everyone in the scene i pissed off with that "stale pig shit" comment - you took it the wrong way (or i wrote it the wrong way). it was aimed at some people on DOA that claimed "we killed drum and bass" - and i was trying to say that ANY genre (not just dnb) that can be toppled by one artist alone...probably deserves to die. for example, even miles davis couldn't have toppled jazz.

do i personally think dnb is dead? fuck no. its sounding better than it has for the last 3 years, and i'm loving the resurgeance of the old-school sound used in an innovative way (like that new track by mistabishi).

my only real problem with dnb (which i also tried to point out with my other post but fucked it up)... is the insular thinking that sometimes pollutes every electronic scene. when people don't look outside their given genre / scene for musical inspiration, things tend to get boring and tired very quickly. the music goes in circles, repeating itself...the amount of fans never changes, new people aren't attracted to the scene to give it fresh input and shit gets stale very quickly. all the drum n bass i have really liked since i got into it sounded like it took inspiration from different places...

jazz'n'bass, trance'n'bass, the hardcore/gabba inspired kick sound from messiah, kemal & rob's detroit techno influences in general, the disco sound founded by sonic n silver / j majik, all the reggae / ragga / dub influences...that was when drum n bass inspired ME. they borrowed from other places and combined it to bring something totally new to the table - just like zeppelin did with blues and rock, albeit to a lesser audience.

what DON'T i want to hear? dnb inspired by dnb...techstep inspired by techstep...jumpup inspired by jumpup...edits inspired by edits...pendulum-clones, and so forth.

why? because to me, its uninspired, boring, and you soon find yourself locked into a genre that has limited potential and shelf life - even more so if people are too scared to branch out into new sounds because of what some fuckwits on internet forums like this might say. both of those are what i've spent my time trying to avoid and overcome, since about a year before the hold your colour album (incidentally, thats also what the album's title meant).

so yeah...hopefully i've cleared things up - i can't say i didn't mean to offend, because to be honest theres been certain times (including that one) that if i was locked in a room with some of the people on DOA that have talked shit about us constantly for the length of our career, i would beat them to fucking death out of sheer vented energy alone. i'll always love dnb, but fuck these internet commentators who will never amount to anything themselves...i'm not gonna waste any more of my life bothering to read what they have to say.

to those people who've hounded us on here: from the bottom of my heart - fuck you.

to the rest of the scene: all the love / respect in the world.

to all our fans / supporters (we must have some on here, since granite is the #1 selling download on DOA): see you in 2008...its gonna be a year to remember :) ...and by the way, if DOA is your main source of news / info on us, pendulum.com will finally be launched this week i think, and we'll keep you updated from there)

adios
rob & the rest of pendulum

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:09 am
Read the comic strip posted on this page :laugh: You know DOA is a very bizarre place sometimes, but it sure comes up with some gems :laugh:


PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:08 am
www.pendulum.com is launched for those who care.


PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:41 am
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Deviant_Tech wrote:
The same thing happened when Prodigy stopped making rave. The same thing happened when Pitchshifter stopped being industrial. The same thing happened when the Chems didn't make another Dig Your Own Hole. The same thing happened when... ah insert whatever band here.

Point is... some people liked it. Some didn't. If you don't like it... whatever. Go on and live in peace.


i agree, i don't like 'granite' and don't like 'propane' but i don't call pendulum 'shitstep' and i don't say they are 'sold out'.


btw. thic comic is hiliarous :lol:
but on dnb.pl there is even bigger mess than on DOA ;)



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