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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:00 pm |
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BRAINKILLER wrote: Quote: What were you expecting by the way?
a good storyline, I hate when trailers DO NOT rappresent the movie. We see in the trailer Charlize "If you go down there, you gonna die" and they make you think she is talking with the crew. Maybe I'm too old for this shit, but this movie has to do anything with Alien afterall? I was expecting to see a prequel yeah but all I got is more questions: who created the Aliens? who created Engineers? what was that octopus at the end? What did David to the Doctor with that drink? was that blood of the engineers? If the engineers created life on earth, why this one was about to destroy it? Peter Weyland was looking for what? is there gonna be a sequel? maybe I need to watch if few more times, I've seen it in russian then in english poor quality damn this one is gonne be in theaters in Italy on october 19th
no offence man but are you serious reading all those questions youve just wrote sounds like you aint watched the film to me i suggest you go and watch it agian as the answerss to all those questions are staring you in the face
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:06 pm |
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BRAINKILLER wrote: Maybe I'm too old for this shit, but this movie has to do anything with Alien afterall? I was expecting to see a prequel yeah but all I got is more questions:
1. who created the Aliens? 2. who created Engineers? 3. what was that octopus at the end? 4. What did David to the Doctor with that drink? was that blood of the engineers? 5. If the engineers created life on earth, why this one was about to destroy it? 6. Peter Weyland was looking for what? 7. is there gonna be a sequel?
maybe I need to watch if few more times, I've seen it in russian then in english poor quality damn this one is gonne be in theaters in Italy on october 19th
'Prometheus' and 'Alien' are set in the same universe and share the same DNA – and that I mean literally. So there are clear connections but 'Prometheus' is not, I repeat, a straight sequel to 'Alien'.
I numbered your questions. 1,3 and 4 are all answered in my earlier answer to you question. Number 4 extensively. Below again with the numbers added in there. And below that answers to 2, 5, 6 and 7.
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The first scene explained and more. An Engineer sacrifices himself by drinking the mysterious black goo to give birth to life on a desolate planet. That scene is there to describe how human race as we know it got it's start on earth. (4) The black goo is a key element in the movie. It's to Prometheus what the equally mysterious black monolith was to '2001: The Space Odyssey.' Mixed with a living DNA the black goo makes it cause all kinds of wild mutations. In the beginning by sacrificing himself the Engineer lets his DNA mixed with the black goo go free in the river to kick start evolution of the species. Later in the movie we see this black goo cause all kind of crazy shit. Based on we see in the movie this black goo can be engineered to work in different ways, both good and bad. The black goo found on LV-223 was described as a weapon so it has to be assumed that it was engineered to cause all kinds of bad shit i.e. crazy mutations. Be it humans or other species or life forms. Judging from what we saw in the movie, dropping the black goo bomb load of the Engineer ship on earth, as the sole living Engineer tried to do, would have caused the whole of human race to kill each other. Mixed with worms and (3) a sperm cell it turned them basically to similarly functioning (yet completely different looking) creatures as the facehuggers in Alien movies. Species that live to pregnate other living organisms. (1) Thus we saw what seemed like a queen Alien baby come out of the Engineer in the end (see (1) the Queen Alien relief from the movie above). And Queen Aliens of course are the ones that hatch the Alien facehugger eggs...
There are no answers to question number 2 at this point. It's anyone's guess that's possibly answered in the sequel, or then not. In sci-fi some big questions are better left unanswered. There's also no straight answer to number 5 but it would seem that we humans got too evolved and ambitious from their perspective and thus a threat to the Engineers, our creators. Makes a lot sense in the context of the movie. I mean who said that the star maps drawn on the walls of caves by our forefathers were invitations... The answer to number 6 is simple. Weyland was looking for a way to defeat death. 7 is a simple answer as well. The ending was left intentionally open for a sequel. Shaw and David left to go to the Engineers' home planet (or whatever black hole they come from). Ridley's and Fox studio's intention is to follow this journey but that all depends on the financial success of this one.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:38 pm |
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dirt wrote: personally i liked it and i think alot of people are saying the movie is shit cos they dont undertsand what they saw properly
exactly my opinion. how obtuse can you be to not understand it and think there are plotholes in there. only think i hated about the movie is the choped scenes. everything else was ubercool and i hope we get the sequel with more epic shit.
Brainkiller there are english cams now so go watch that. i also saw the russian cam first,then the english one.
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Man and how i love the engineers. The first one had a goofy face imo, but everything else brilliant. They sjowed them at first in a earlier stage in their evolution some billion years ago, then in recent time we see how they evolved, how they modified themselves to better interract with their tehnology. Small little things like that make this film cool.
Also the scene at the end with David and Shaw. All of Davids arogance ended when Shaw told him she can believe because she is a human being. David just took it with a smile, no more arogant response. I really do hope we get the sequel, and direcor's cut of this one, cause i can feel the movie has a 30 minute extra to show
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:56 pm |
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IT WAS ALL I ASKED FOR
It was apsolute TOP notch in most of it's apsects.
Main characters where good, but maybe there could have been more slowing down of events and focusing on small, not so important things, speed of events was bit too much for me.
I didn't hope the feeling like seeing Alien first time. These kind of feelings will stay unique for the rest of the life and i feel it's near impossible to shake me up like that anymore.
This movie had certain role to play and it did it very well.
9/10
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:17 pm |
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:41 pm |
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*PinHead* wrote: I really do hope we get the sequel, and direcor's cut of this one, cause i can feel the movie has a 30 minute extra to show.
Both Ridley and Lindelof have said that the making of the sequel depends solely on the financial success of this one. In that regard it has started promisingly with Prometheus being number 1 in 14 of the 15 countries it opened last weekend. It made $35 million from just 15 territories alone. Almost as much as 'Snow White and the Huntsman' which made $39.3 million from 46 territories. 'Prometheus' was also either the biggest or second biggest opener of the year in several of those territories. Hope it does equally well in the US and the 35 additional territories it's going to be expanding to.
I'm sure Ridley will release a longer cut on DVD/Blu-Ray, like he just about admitted on BBC. And Ridley especially has done this with many of his movies that he has had to compromise for theatrical release. With big releases there's always pressure from the studios to keep the running time at 2 hours. More screenings, more money.
From two of Prometheus' siblings both 'Aliens' and 'Alien 3' are movies that are significantly better in their longer cut formats. Of Ridley's own 'Alien' the Theatrical Version is actually the better one and is the definitive Director's Cut, like Ridley himself has also said. It's perfect and far better than the so called "Director's Cut" which in reality is nothing more than an Alternative Cut that Ridley was asked to make to fill the Alien Quadrilogy DVD Box. 'Prometheus' however is a movie that can clearly only get even better with another 30 min or so added back to it.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:10 am |
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I just saw it....was alright....lets hope it doesnt take long before the sequel comes out
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:07 am |
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GeneralPosts: 2744Location: ItalyJoined: Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:58 pm
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the spitfire wrote: The first scene explained and more. An Engineer sacrifices himself by drinking the mysterious black goo to give birth to life on a desolate planet. That scene is there to describe how human race as we know it got it's start on earth. (4) The black goo is a key element in the movie. It's to Prometheus what the equally mysterious black monolith was to '2001: The Space Odyssey.' Mixed with a living DNA the black goo makes it cause all kinds of wild mutations. In the beginning by sacrificing himself the Engineer lets his DNA mixed with the black goo go free in the river to kick start evolution of the species. Later in the movie we see this black goo cause all kind of crazy shit. Based on we see in the movie this black goo can be engineered to work in different ways, both good and bad. The black goo found on LV-223 was described as a weapon so it has to be assumed that it was engineered to cause all kinds of bad shit i.e. crazy mutations. Be it humans or other species or life forms. Judging from what we saw in the movie, dropping the black goo bomb load of the Engineer ship on earth, as the sole living Engineer tried to do, would have caused the whole of human race to kill each other. Mixed with worms and (3) a sperm cell it turned them basically to similarly functioning (yet completely different looking) creatures as the facehuggers in Alien movies. Species that live to pregnate other living organisms. (1) Thus we saw what seemed like a queen Alien baby come out of the Engineer in the end (see (1) the Queen Alien relief from the movie above). And Queen Aliens of course are the ones that hatch the Alien facehugger eggs...
There are no answers to question number 2 at this point. It's anyone's guess that's possibly answered in the sequel, or then not. In sci-fi some big questions are better left unanswered. There's also no straight answer to number 5 but it would seem that we humans got too evolved and ambitious from their perspective and thus a threat to the Engineers, our creators. Makes a lot sense in the context of the movie. I mean who said that the star maps drawn on the walls of caves by our forefathers were invitations... The answer to number 6 is simple. Weyland was looking for a way to defeat death. 7 is a simple answer as well. The ending was left intentionally open for a sequel. Shaw and David left to go to the Engineers' home planet (or whatever black hole they come from). Ridley's and Fox studio's intention is to follow this journey but that all depends on the financial success of this one.
allright, after reading this and watching the movie in better quality, finally understanding the dialogues properly, the movie is growing on me. the previous version I saw was to poor to understand all the dialogue
dammit why not a worldwide realease, I have to wait until cotober to see it in Italy
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:30 am |
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when do you think DVD is coming out guys?
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:39 am |
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Elsewhere wrote: when do you think DVD is coming out guys?
I read somewhere that the U.S. release date is 9th October so I would assume it will be available right around the same time in most countries.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:18 pm |
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Loved the film.
A couple of things though, I didn't think the cast were particularly great.
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the Scottish doctor was horrendous in my opinion, she didn't need to be there at all! As for the characters on the whole, David, Elizabeth and Charlie (to some extent) were pretty good. But the rest of them? I felt no connection with them at all, when the captain and his two ship mates crash the ship I felt absolutely nothing. I also felt those characters, excluding the captain maybe, had shown no indication what so ever in the build up that they would be willing to kill themselves for the greater cause.
Regarding the plot, there was only one thing I couldn't work out. For what reason did David intentionally infect Charlie? It was clearly part of his plan that Elizabeth would be impregnated with the organism sure, but to what cause? Peter Wayland was seeking immortality, I can't see any reason why he would instruct David to do this. The only thing I can think of is that David was curious to see what would happen, but surly this is impossible?
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:10 pm |
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Fifer wrote: Loved the film.
A couple of things though, I didn't think the cast were particularly great.
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I felt no connection with them at all, when the captain and his two ship mates crash the ship I felt absolutely nothing. I also felt those characters, excluding the captain maybe, had shown no indication what so ever in the build up that they would be willing to kill themselves for the greater cause.
Regarding the plot, there was only one thing I couldn't work out. For what reason did David intentionally infect Charlie? It was clearly part of his plan that Elizabeth would be impregnated with the organism sure, but to what cause? Peter Wayland was seeking immortality, I can't see any reason why he would instruct David to do this. The only thing I can think of is that David was curious to see what would happen, but surly this is impossible?
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The captain and co sacrificed themselves first and foremost to to save their families, their loved ones, and secondly the whole of humanity from getting wiped out. I do not think that many would hesitate if put in a situation where if you do not act your whole family, all your friends and everyone else will die. Add to that the fact that there would not have been an earth to return to had they not acted.
David acted on orders given to him by Weyland with whom he's shown discussing with (the dark hyper-sleep pod scene) before he infects Holloway. Weyland was seeking for immortality yes but at that point it seemed like there was no living Engineers left and the only thing they could do was to test the black goo on someone on the crew to see what it does. I do not think they could have in any way predict Shaw getting impregnated as a consequence of it though.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:56 pm |
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Even More Prometheus Concept Art
7 June 2012
New scans from the 'Prometheus: The Art of the Film' book have been posted online today. The new images show concept art pieces of the creatures, characters and environments featured on the film. Spoiler warning!
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2012/06/07/eve ... ncept-art/
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:29 pm |
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'Prometheus' Ignites $3.56 Million at U.S. Midnight Box Office
8 June 2012
Fox's 3D sci-fi tentpole trumps all late-night competish
"Prometheus" hatched an impressive $3.56 million from 1,308 locations Thursday, easily besting the late-night bows of "Snow White and the Huntsman" and "Men in Black 3."
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118055242
Good start!
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:50 pm |
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'Prometheus' Popping Past $60 Million at U.S. Box Office
8 June 2012
Early Friday estimates already outrunning expectations
One B.O. analyst has the R-rated 'Prometheus' charting as high as $70 million or more.
"It's doing better than 'Inception' at this point," one exec says, referring to Christopher Nolan's PG-13 sci-fier. 'Inception' went on to gross $63 million during its opening weekend.
Prometheus has already cumed $54 million internationally and is gearing up to become the first R-rated movie to open to more than $50 million in Fox's 77 year long history.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118055285
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