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Harbinger
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:01 am |
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Agent Orange wrote: Big rant here from deep place in a Prodigy fan's heart. It's probably the only thing to do while we you wait. You have been warned. Why is there such an urge to connect the tracks to just the live shows and an album? I mean, Liam said it in a written interview before: He could've written 10 albums instead of 5 but that would be just repeating themselves. Well, what's the shame in that? Every album is that damn original or unique or powerful, there's no harm in releasing a studio-only album with tracks that they won't play live. Why put tracks in the bin? Because they sucked live? Because the fans didn't dance and yelled enough? Do some Molotov Bitches, Climbatizes, Narcotic Suits and Weather Experiences? I wish I could ask this to them: Do you even enjoy writing music? As a fan, I feel there's too much pressure to enjoy the process and release a tricky track every now and then, instead of binning what seems to be the majority of the tracks. If there's some anarchy to The Prodigy I'd expect some studio tunes to be just put on iTunes for the music lovers to listen to on the fucking bike, in the car, with friends... THAT is also 'live', people just listening to it and dancing in the fucking weekends. So much stuff goes into artificial highly concentrated few tracks every 5 years... Writing music should be fun, some tunes won't work on an album or live. Doesn't mean they deserve to be just crammed on a tape in a cardboard box. If they enjoyed the studio time writing half a track, why not just slam them on an EP as a white label? Just share some stuff, you have fans now and always will have them, lose them and there will be no more fucking show. It's that simple. You HAVE to keep people excited, at least let them know you actually exist as a band and you do music. If there were no fucking nerds around recording new live tracks, there be practically nothing at all. I understand it's a very intense job to tour, to live out of a suitcase, to do such intense and energetic shows... I have the utmost respect for this, I look up to it in disbelief that they keep on going and going. After that, you need time, you need personal life, you need to relax. But writing music in a studio with two mates SHOULD be relaxing. Maybe it's nice to let the people that care so much about what you write in on some of your 'fucking around with sounds'. As fans, we're pretty damn fucking sure we'd LOVE even that. Prodigy is that good to some of us. We imagine the idea of a demo or two from the Jilted era or the FotL era, that would blow anyone of us away. Even just the idea... We love (at least, I do) Prodigy, that's why I moan, complain, bitch and even start to hate, disbelieve and even let go of it altogether. We're fans, we also move on. I know they want to deliver eventually, they just forget that a demo or binned track holds enough energy to keep us warm in cold days. People lose interest quickly, especially these days, as music comes from everywhere, all of the time. That's what will happen for sure if things keep going like this with promises that I hear about every few months. Promising just isn't enough when you're in the position of being 'the best live show'. Sure, that hold immense pressure, but the shows will definitely be unaffected by B-sides, white labels, downloadable demos, youtube videos with some new material on top. It's that, or bin/stash the work you did. The work for such material already has been done... what's the shame? They have people like Dugdale & Amanda Ghost so I don't understand the timid behavior they have towards having some non-album/pre-album stuff floating around. That's also advertisement that they're actually not a split up band. Yes, people come to me and ask 'are Prodigy even together' and I just don't even know what to say to that... AS A FAN. I have to repeat myself over and over again and try to sound convincing in the process that there IS an album coming, '...really, there is'. Meanwhile there's nothing to fill the album gaps, nothing to be honestly excited about, the only thing we do is repeating vague internet wisdom. The album better be special or there's no reason to continue as a fan(base - Warriors for fuck's sake) other than wank over fan made remakes, remixes, (live) reworks and even fake studio versions of future tracks over and over again. I'd be honored and ashamed at the same time if that would be happening to me, and that's NOT a good thing. I'd be ahead of that and make sure the people that wait get the RIGHT thing instead. Answering to the demand every now and then shouldn't be a problem. Oh well... I must be so wrong for saying all this. Again, sorry for the wall of text. I love you if you read this, 'cause then I know we're still in the same fucking fan base army. Thanks for your time, I'm just sick of having unanswered hope. These are shitty times, because a lot of new experimental heavy/loud punch-in-the-face music is pretty fucking hard to find (and weak when found) to me nowadays. I, among many others I believe, need Prodigy to fuel the fire and be excited about new music again.
I'll read it later.
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Plain_John
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:07 am |
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GeneralPosts: 1305Location: RomâniaJoined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:58 am
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Saq wrote: quality not quantity
that's cliche.... this means let's wait 10 years until Liam tweaks the shit out of the tracks.
AONO tracks are unpolished, raw, they are original, he took a gamble and in my opinion he succeeded.
Release a fucking EP that has no connection with a future album just for the sake of it. Lost Beats EP was great.
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Jr
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:39 am |
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ColonelPosts: 853Joined: Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:31 pm
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Quality and quantity
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Plain_John
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:42 am |
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GeneralPosts: 1305Location: RomâniaJoined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:58 am
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Jr wrote: Quality and quantity
there we go
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Yeah Geil
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:21 pm |
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ColonelPosts: 935Joined: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:29 am
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Lost Beats sucked big time black smoke and fighter beat were so unbelievable weak I was shocked to see Liam's name as producer!
Agent Orange, nice "little" essay there, agree 100%
Except there are times when writing becomes the hardest thing in the world and you just wouldn't get a decent piece of sound done even you tried.
Maybe the scarcity of tracks is intentional to keep the fans psyched (Lost Beats EP for instance ) even when little is delivered.
Perhaps they're just fed up with being a band and producing stuff, I know I'd be from time to time. When was the last time when you heard nothing from them for let's say half a year?
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Jericho-X
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:24 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 2487Location: NorwayJoined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:27 pm
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I totally agree with Mr. Annoying Orange on the previous page
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Elsewhere
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:54 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 2881Location: ESTJoined: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:30 pm
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Good writing Agent O. good to see this kind of dedication.
i'm afraid we will never get those new climbatizes and narayas with HTSAJF. they focus on live strenght now. they don't want to break that band feeling with perfoming 80% of album live, because u know, they might not tour at all from 5 years from now. Liam can write hes headphones tunes after that.
and Liam is just old school guy to post 2-3 tunes to itunes every 6 months like nowadays artists, artists who will never archive 6 proper albums in theyr lifetime.
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SPECIAL FORCES
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:06 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 1356Joined: Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:26 pm
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Yeah,sure we prefer a quality album that will take longer time to be released than an album that will be half baked.
BUT everybody has to understand that 5 years gap is too much.
And to be totally honest...AONO and IMD might be a nice welcome but they were not worth the wait.Lets be straight.The Dance scene is dead but 7 years for AONO and another 5 for IMD and another 5+ for an album that we haven't seen anything really exciting from it yet,well it is too f*cking long.
I'm very sad but i start to believe something that a magazine of my country wrote back when AONO was released.It was something like:''The band can't recover from the success of their last album,AONO was not worth the wait''.
I was mad when i first saw it.I thought:''well it is their first album after so long,the next one will be epic''.IMD was decent but far from good.
And now all the tracks of the new album sound worse than the tracks of the IMD era,that Liam played live before the album release.
I might ask too much but,i lived the rise of the band and remember them well on their prime.I'm tired to fool myself about how the band is going just because i like them too much.I'm not a noob fan,i have seen much better days.I'm happy they still release new material/albums but 5 years per album it is too much.Especially when they are not very good.
I respect everyone here but it is time to be honest.It is really weird every time a mediocre song is played live many people here to go mad and praise the lord about how good the material is.Maybe they haven't lived the 90's.But for someone who has,it is natural to be disappointed by the whole situation.I know i sound selfish but im sorry if i feel im grateful because i was a teen in the early 90's and i was lucky to hear and dance for the first time EPIC SONGS.I believe many people of my age here feel the same.
*I wish Liam writes an amazing album and makes me happy at least one more time after FOTL.
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neomatrix
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:51 pm |
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SergeantPosts: 423Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:31 pm
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Agent Orange wrote: These are shitty times, because a lot of new experimental heavy/loud punch-in-the-face music is pretty fucking hard to find (and weak when found) to me nowadays. This i way i'm still Prodigy fan. From 90's any new band was good enough.
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WarriorsDancee
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:40 pm |
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SergeantPosts: 460Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:32 pm
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I don't even bother to comment on everything on this forum anymore, but I took my time and read Orange's post and I agree 110% ... I'm glad the guys are still around and are still able to impress with everything they release, at least that's my opinion. I will always have a deep respect for them, especially for Liam. What he did over the last 20 years is undescribable. I'm not going to let these annoying promises they make destroy all my prodigy memories. Everything comes to an end. And I'm not saying it's the end, but I think he's just not into writing many music at the moment, and you can't blame him.. He's been doing the same thing for over 20 years. It's sad, but I'm sure that once they'll put something out, it'll be smashing. At the moment, I still have faith in the prodigy ! They're just human beings as well.. They're not robots.
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Darkwave
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:13 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 1513Location: GreeceJoined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:12 am
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Agent Orange wrote: the shows will definitely be unaffected by B-sides, white labels
I belive that (big part of) the love of the hardcore fans for the band will remain unaffected too..let's say at least for the next years 5-10...
I'm not saying it's all cool. That's just the way i belive this whole thing works.
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Darkwave
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:19 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 1513Location: GreeceJoined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:12 am
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WarriorsDancee wrote: I'm glad the guys are still around and are still able to impress with everything they release, at least that's my opinion. I will always have a deep respect for them, especially for Liam. What he did over the last 20 years is undescribable. I'm not going to let these annoying promises they make destroy all my prodigy memories. Everything comes to an end. And I'm not saying it's the end, but I think he's just not into writing many music at the moment, and you can't blame him.. He's been doing the same thing for over 20 years. It's sad, but I'm sure that once they'll put something out, it'll be smashing. At the moment, I still have faith in the prodigy ! They're just human beings as well.. They're not robots.
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SPECIAL FORCES
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:04 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 1356Joined: Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:26 pm
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I have deep respect for Liam and the band ect ect too.
That doesn't mean i have to find good and smashing everything the band releases,in order to prove i'm a ''hardcore fan'' and faithful to the band.
We all love our band.
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toX
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:14 am |
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LieutenantPosts: 575Location: GermanyJoined: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:38 am
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Quote: so from then onwards people will start hearing the actual tunes that are going to be on the record
Thats interesting.
I already predicted that all that kind of "semi-new" stuff like AWOL, The Day etc is not gonna be featured on the album. I always had doubts for Dogbite aswell.
Lets just see where this will go
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Warrior
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:27 am |
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GeneralPosts: 2089Location: Melbourne, AustraliaJoined: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:22 pm
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agreed. sometimes its amazing, sometimes its average.
Speaking of average, I think dogbite COULD be improved a fair bit if it wasnt just a loop, maybe if they put different bass progression in the 'chorus' the bit where maxim just shouts 'dogbite', give it some feeling, its a very dry track at the moment, could easily be a LOT better...
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