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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:31 pm
GruntGruntPosts: 36Location: FinlandJoined: Fri May 27, 2011 9:26 am
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I think most people from those days are looking nowdays Prodigy music and opinions in this forum with very different eyes than new fans who have come with AONO or IMD. Old fans really know what Prodigy are, we are not only reading history from books.


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I wouldn't bother, it's an ignorant statement.

People and their minds change over time, it's natural. The Prodigy as a band have gone through a lot of changes ever since they started in 1990.
To say that only the old fans really know what The Prodigy are is an absurd assumption. I will correct Smack- and say that today The Prodigy are not what they were in the 1990s, they changed and so has their music. I am a fan since 2005 and I do know what The Prodigy are and what they were and I like both sides of the coin eventhough they're vastly different.

It looks to me like many of the old fans (maybe I should say "the only true fans" based on Smack's absurd statement?) are forcing themselves to listen to their once beloved band. As pointed out, times have changed and so have The Prodigy, so if you don't like their post 20th century stuff why don't you move on? It looks like those guys are forcing themselves to listen to anything with a Prodigy stamp on it even though they have stopped liking the bands sound a long time ago.


Special Forces, you can take signature if you want.

I know Prodigy makes changes, of course, that's one thing why I like to be Prodigy fan. Every album has been different and that's the way it should be. In 90's these albums just were always big step forward and music was that kind of music what nobody else wasn't able to do during that time and still can't. Next record was always so good at I wasn't able to imagine so good music before I heard it first time. But now Prodigy music is not so much special. I don't say it's music what other bands do, but gap between Prodigy and others is smaller. Prodigy should not follow the trend, Prodigy should be the trend what others try to follow, but can't because they don't have skills. That's how it was 90's and it was good time to be Prodigy fan.

And I say again, if some of you like more Prodigy's music after 2000's than before, that's fine. Everybody has different music taste. But if every Prodigy track is always superhypergood, I feel just Prodigy stamp makes it good, because difference between albums music style is so big. And I'd like to say from IMD Omen Reprise, WD and WOF are in same level with 90's tracks (and first live versions even more). So I like also some of the new Prodigy music very much. And from next record, we know just Nasty, what I don't feel so much. Littlebit like Keith said he didn't feel AONO, but he still did the gigs. Or like AONO1 were binned. I'm not sure did some oldschool Prodigy fans like it, but I didn't and I'm happy Liam realised that and many other things later. He can change he's opinions later also later.

Please don't be too disappointed about old fans know more comment. But you can't understand unless you are old fan. Also I have become later fan/interested for some other things and can't experience it all what others have done previous 10 years. It's just not possible. And I'm sure here's some even older fans than me and maybe from UK, who have been raves, and also I can't know all what they have experienced before 94 when I joined fanbase. I'm sure some new fans understand what I mean. I hope everybody understand I don't mean you are stupid, if you are new fan.

I don't say any of the fans from 2000's don't know the Prodigy. But often I see some regulars in this forum and fanboy maybe read some news about Prodigy, or imagine stupid things, or just don't get it. That kind of fans who thinks they know all. But im pretty sure almost all old fans get it right away. And of course many new ones. Let's say I haven't been Liamed for a long time :D And I don't say true fans are from the 90's... everybody can be true fan, doesn't matter when you joined. Also I wasn't fan in Experience time simply because I was also too young and hadn't heard Prodigy before.

And I would say we old fans are more disappointed because new album was descriped dark as jilted was and many fans here have been writing Nasty is dark and so on. So our hopes were and still are high. But jilted was dark like inside out. Darkness can't be removed from jilted. From Nasty it can be removed by removing horror movie sample and scratching, distortion and these kind of things. Now darkness is only like toppings on the pizza, not the pizza itself.

I will be always Prodigy fan because their old music is so special. If some of the forthcoming music is not so good, I just don't listen it so much, but will be a fan :) Prodigy is like a drug.. you want more. If your drug quality is going worst, you take that while you are looking that good drug. And that's why old fans can't give up, we need our drug what we can't get anywhere else :D And like I wrote already, some of the facebook track snippest sounds really promising, so I have something to wait for.

And legal statement: All of these are my opinions, I'm pretty sure also many other old fans feels like me. I just try to explain why. And don't read this too black and white, then you probably miss what I try to say.

Now text is too long to check what I wrote :D


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:50 pm
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I'm an old fan, going back to the early 90's Experience Era...
And I still don't understand the hate for Nasty... it's literally the culmination of everything about their sound packed into a single track.
Anyone expecting some groundbreaking new sound are just deluding themselves and can't just sit back and enjoy things.
I think people just have absurd expectations and everyone thinks their a music producer nowadays (coming from a music producer).
No one can just sit back and let a song take them somewhere anymore.
All people do now are project their own expectations...
What a song should sound like...
Where a song should go next...
When you're young, you sit and just absorb the music.
When you're old, it's just about imposing what you want.
Of course the band you heard 20+ years ago are not going to expand your mind in the same way now as when you were a kid.



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:57 pm
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Naively, I always hoped Liam would evolve as a producer, that is why this is disappointing. Just because they are a "live band", production shouldn't suffer for it. You can't tell me that SMBU works only great live when its a brilliantly produced track - it works in pretty much any environment. Nasty will work live I guess, I see a mosh-pit revival. But, in any other environment, for me, it just sounds neutered.

Maybe producing tracks solely for the purpose of them working live is not the best idea in the world?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:26 pm
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NEOREV wrote:
I'm an old fan, going back to the early 90's Experience Era...
And I still don't understand the hate for Nasty... it's literally the culmination of everything about their sound packed into a single track.
Anyone expecting some groundbreaking new sound are just deluding themselves and can't just sit back and enjoy things.
I think people just have absurd expectations and everyone thinks their a music producer nowadays (coming from a music producer).
No one can just sit back and let a song take them somewhere anymore.
All people do now are project their own expectations...
What a song should sound like...
Where a song should go next...
When you're young, you sit and just absorb the music.
When you're old, it's just about imposing what you want.
Of course the band you heard 20+ years ago are not going to expand your mind in the same way now as when you were a kid.


Some people have high expectations, i am just "oh god finally i can hear a new track again."

Its a good track, and im looking forward to the album. Just like IMD did to me. People hated the IMD track and what did i get? Run, Colours, TMTTH, Stand Up, etc.

To me Nasty shows that this new album gonna be dirty, dark and nasty.

Its so dirty id rather want it on a cassette than a CD.



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:46 pm
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Experience era fan here.

You know its funny when people make statements like 'ooh if you're a fan since blabla then you will blabla'. My brother and i LOVE IMD as it is like a modern day experience.

Nasty just is a bit unorginal as a song, but it is a banger. Will be a rocker live.
The dynamics are there, will kill live.
And not every track is a rocker live: bgat and nuclear got mute responses, especially nuclear.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:03 pm
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To those who do not understand that it is a little different to be an old fan...
No matter which genre of songs of the band you like most,when you heard Voodoo and Poison for the first time and then Firestarter and Smack ect...it was pure magic.You could not believe that someone could write such music at that time.Did not have to grow on you or anything.

So it is natural to be a little bit harder to get impressed by Liam's later albums/singles.This is why most of the old fans find Nasty just ok.

It is different to learn the band from IMD or AONO and then buy the 90's cds. Of course you will like IMD more because it feels more fresh and closer to the current dance scene.

This is what you dont or dont want to understand. When you are used to so good albums you need something really good to like it...and yes times changed , yes Liam is in mid 40's but im sure that he can do better. No old fan asks him to write a 10/10 album again or with the same sound as the old ones but at least he can write a 8/10.Cause IMD and AONO are not even close...and most people love IMD even more than it deserves because AONO was very bad.

No one said that the new fans cant judge the band's music correctly but the old fans have the bigger picture.It is different to hear MFTJG and FOTL when you lived and had your ears tuned to that era's current scene.Btw many wrote good dance music on that time....so this gives even more credit to the 90's albums.

Surely not all old fans feel the same way but most do.
It is very funny though when newer fans overvalue IMD. Most feel the need to ''protect'' their era's albums cause it is like the older fans undervalue their part on the ''legendary journey'' of the band. Yeah i understand them although some do not even realise it. It is not just a matter of taste but of psychology too.



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:21 pm
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SPECIAL FORCES wrote:
To those who do not understand that it is a little different to be an old fan...
No matter which genre of songs of the band you like most,when you heard Voodoo and Poison for the first time and then Firestarter and Smack ect...it was pure magic.You could not believe that someone could write such music at that time.Did not have to grow on you or anything.

So it is natural to be a little bit harder to get impressed by Liam's later albums/singles.This is why most of the old fans find Nasty just ok.

It is different to learn the band from IMD or AONO and then buy the 90's cds. Of course you will like IMD more because it feels more fresh and closer to the current dance scene.

This is what you dont or dont want to understand. When you are used to so good albums you need something really good to like it...and yes times changed , yes Liam is in mid 40's but im sure that he can do better. No old fan asks him to write a 10/10 album again or with the same sound as the old ones but at least he can write a 8/10.Cause IMD and AONO are not even close...and most people love IMD even more than it deserves because AONO was very bad.

No one said that the new fans cant judge the band's music correctly but the old fans have the bigger picture.It is different to hear MFTJG and FOTL when you lived and had your ears tuned to that era's current scene.Btw many wrote good dance music on that time....so this gives even more credit to the 90's albums.

Surely not all old fans feel the same way but most do.
It is very funny though when newer fans overvalue IMD. Most feel the need to ''protect'' their era's albums cause it is like the older fans undervalue their part on the ''legendary journey'' of the band. Yeah i understand them although some do not even realise it. It is not just a matter of taste but of psychology too.


I think you and everyone else should stop speaking for other peope.
This is what you think, you, not the majority of the old fans or whatsoever. Keep it to yourself.

I know plenty old times fans who love IMD. Ok not as much as FOTL but that album just is the pinnacle of everything. Yes, better then jilted


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:25 pm
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Jr wrote:
I know plenty old times fans who love IMD. Ok not as much as FOTL but that album just is the pinnacle of everything. Yes, better then jilted


Troll alert! What more to say about your taste/judgement in music. You do not understand what i write,you just want to ''attack'' me.
Even if you like IMD more and feels more fresh to you,you must always value something keeping in mind when it was released and what impact it had.
I explained it on the previous post but you and a few more just seem to read what i post,keep only what you think is convinient ignoring even the smallest truth in my words and write you own thing believing that you nailed me.

btw let old timers talk about what they think most of the old fans believe.
I hang out and talk with more than 20 people who some are even in their mid 40's and i know them for more than 18-20 years.So i have a good idea and we agree on most things.I dont judge just by myself.Yeah i like the BK forum but i did not join to to create an opinion for the band.

*dont know why you are so stuck with IMD...i understand if you like it more but to say that it is better than Jilted? I bet you had sex for the first time hearing Omen reprise :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:45 pm
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I think people are just saying that you can't speak for other people.
You can't speak for old fans.
You can only just speak for you.
I know plenty of old fans who love IMD and Nasty.
So you can't just lump folks into this group or that group.
Everyone is different.
A die hard fan from the moment he heard What Evil Lurks could absolutely fall in love with Nasty.
You never know.
I just don't think anyone can speak for old fans or new fans except for that very fan him or herself.



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:53 pm
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NEOREV wrote:
I think people are just saying that you can't speak for other people.
You can't speak for old fans.
You can only just speak for you.
I know plenty of old fans who love IMD and Nasty.
So you can't just lump folks into this group or that group.
Everyone is different.
A die hard fan from the moment he heard What Evil Lurks could absolutely fall in love with Nasty.
You never know.
I just don't think anyone can speak for old fans or new fans except for that very fan him or herself.


I dont talk for all the old fans.Yeah sure there will be variations but there are some basic stuff or directions that most old fans agree about.I cant believe that you bro wait for this forum entirely to form an opinion on the band's music right?
Like i said i have like 2 football teams of friends who we hang out,talk ect about the band since the early 90s. Especially when there is new material we are like forensic pathologists.Now if you want to tell me that it is pure luck that we agree on 80-90% of what i write...ok,what can i say.



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:31 am
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I cant believe that you bro wait for this forum entirely to form an opinion on the band's music right?


I'm not sure what you mean by this.
I don't use the forum to form my own opinion... my opinion is my own.
I'm just confused what you mean, please explain.



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Ive been a fan since I discovered them on MTV in 1997! and I will continue to be until the end! :wink:



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NEOREV wrote:
SPECIAL FORCES wrote:
I cant believe that you bro wait for this forum entirely to form an opinion on the band's music right?


I'm not sure what you mean by this.
I don't use the forum to form my own opinion... my opinion is my own.
I'm just confused what you mean, please explain.


Sorry my english , brother...i mean that we all have friend ect to talk about music ect plus we have an opinion of our own.



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I've been a fan since before I even existed. My penis is also longer, too :)

You know guys, we all need to meet in some place and drink some beers, cause we can't exchange opinions through the internet xD



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