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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:20 pm
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16-bit WAV of the whole What Evil Lurks EP for just £0.95 here:
http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/what-e ... 4904150150

I have the FLAC from Juno, not willing to re-purchase it :P


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:53 pm
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June wrote:
16-bit WAV of the whole What Evil Lurks EP for just £0.95 here:
http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/what-e ... 4904150150

I have the FLAC from Juno, not willing to re-purchase it :P


Yes, I bought it from there half an hour ago. It lets you download in any format so I got WAV, FLAC, 320 Kbps MP3 and WMA all for £0.95 in total.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:15 pm
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James Jupiter wrote:
June wrote:
16-bit WAV of the whole What Evil Lurks EP for just £0.95 here:
http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/what-e ... 4904150150

I have the FLAC from Juno, not willing to re-purchase it :P


Yes, I bought it from there half an hour ago. It lets you download in any format so I got WAV, FLAC, 320 Kbps MP3 and WMA all for £0.95 in total.


Hahaha, yeah off Qobuz I got FLAC, WAV, and 320 MP3
hoping the album comes in 24 bit when it's out.



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:11 pm
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Since the EP released I listen to nasty on hi-fi and finally I can hear bass on it. Now I can hear some FOTL sounding in the song, and less IMD.



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:36 pm
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ep relesed? where? i was looking for it , no in any shop!?



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:54 pm
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ep relesed? where? i was looking for it , no in any shop!?


Digital only



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:00 pm
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yea i know thats why is shit,prob nasty gonna be twice better on cd album, more reach sound



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:06 pm
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anyway if yo compare nasty single with best singles of prodigy yo can see how bad this single is. fuck me. lets take for example poison. i think liam chose all those crap dj , artists to show how big difrence is between them two.



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:48 am
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prodigal wrote:
yea i know thats why is shit,prob nasty gonna be twice better on cd album, more reach sound


eh no? 16bit wav is exactly the same quality as a cd....


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:18 am
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Jericho-X wrote:
prodigal wrote:
yea i know thats why is shit,prob nasty gonna be twice better on cd album, more reach sound


eh no? 16bit wav is exactly the same quality as a cd....


depends, some artists master things differently depending on the type of release.

for example, Nine Inch Nails' latest album Hesitation Marks had different masters... one for vinyl, one for CD, one for regular digital sites, one for HD audiophiles.

it also depends on if the digital version was mastered differently than the CD version/vinyl versions. like for example, with vinyl you have to cut some of the high and low frequencies... hence the warm sound you experience with vinyl. as for CDs, they are all about the loudness war that's going on. so these limits are pushed much more than vinyl. Vinyl is quieter, hence more dynamics.

so technically a 16 bit wav could sound better than a CD if the masters were different.

24 bit wav/flac is the only way you can get music from the artists the way it was recorded in the studio. it would be nice if artists like The Prodigy followed in Trent Reznor's footsteps and released a version of HD playback. Hesitation Marks (Audiophile Version) sounds so much more fuller, especially in the low end. Some of the low end and overall atmosphere was lost due to having to master the digital version to iTunes/digital store standards.

another example was the 24 bit wav version of Jackson And His Computerband's "Glow." there's a lot of detail and depth with that album that really comes out with the uncompressed wav version. HD lossless is really important for music with dynamics. if it's all just being the hardest and loudest, the need for full HD lossless is not as important. but music with atmosphere and depth, not pushed to the max and has room to breathe really benefit from HD lossless. such as Underworld's Dubnobasswithmyheadman Blu-ray reissue sounds frigging amazing. that's an album with depth.

albums like The Fat Of The Land and Jilted Generation would benefit from remastering for HD lossless. where as Invaders Must Die and Always Outnumbered aren't as intricately layered as their previous albums. even Experience doesn't have the depth FotL and Jilted have. the later albums don't have the layers and details that they used to have. Baby's Got A Temper was the last song to really have depth and layers to it, especially when you listen to the instrumental. there's a lot going on with that one the more you listen to it. i hope The Day Is My Enemy brings that depth back with some of the songs.



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:13 am
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While I agree that a quality recording is important for the full enjoyment of a track.

A really good track is good even if your friend played it to you on his phone speaker on a bus.

Great sound quality makes a good track even better but it does not make a bad track a good track.

Nasty is not very good nether through a phone speaker from mp3, neither through high end equipment from flac.



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:20 am
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NEOREV wrote:

albums like The Fat Of The Land and Jilted Generation would benefit from remastering for HD lossless. where as Invaders Must Die and Always Outnumbered aren't as intricately layered as their previous albums. even Experience doesn't have the depth FotL and Jilted have. the later albums don't have the layers and details that they used to have. Baby's Got A Temper was the last song to really have depth and layers to it, especially when you listen to the instrumental. there's a lot going on with that one the more you listen to it. i hope The Day Is My Enemy brings that depth back with some of the songs.
Interesting information on your whole post!

Just listened to the Main Mix and Instrumental of BGAT back to back after reading. I've always prefered to hear it without vocals because there's so much tiny shit and detail going on in the background that you can't hear in the vocal mix. You can hear from the instrumental that the track is meant to be with the vocals but gladly there's still the alternative choice.

Even though BGAT isn't exactly the fan favorite (or the bands) it still has far more impressive layers than the newer tracks on IMD for example. So I agree with NEOREV on that, hopefully the new album has little surprises for detail-searching listeners.

And btw, listening to so much Nasty lately, the grittiness on Keef's vocals on BGAT actually surprised me in a positive way. Maybe he's too stuck on his "one take vocals" routine nowadays. I think he could strive for more crispy sound if he only wanted to do more takes.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:23 am
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AONO would benefit greatly from a remaster, it's pushed wayyy too far and it tires your ears quickly. sounds harsh


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:42 am
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imago wrote:
While I agree that a quality recording is important for the full enjoyment of a track.

A really good track is good even if your friend played it to you on his phone speaker on a bus.

Great sound quality makes a good track even better but it does not make a bad track a good track.

Nasty is not very good nether through a phone speaker from mp3, neither through high end equipment from flac.


here is another person, that just had to emphasize how much they hate "Nasty" in the middle of a conversation.
why is that?
there are people loads of people that love "Nasty," but they don't have to always keep reminding people how awesome something is.
it's always seems to be the haters that do this, just a curious thing that i noticed.

we understand, you don't like "Nasty" where as I do like "Nasty," to each their own. and yes, 24 bit wav "Nasty" sounds a lot better than crappy compressed 320 mp3 "Nasty" when it comes to the audio quality experience.

sure, a great track can come through even the crappiest of quality but i still want the pure lossless sound quality.
i would rather have what the artists recorded and heard in the studio than having it altered to meet vinyl or CD standards... but that's just me.

it's kinda funny because music going digital was considered the death of music by many.
meanwhile going digital is the only way for the listener to actually get the music in the highest possible quality... unless music moved to a format like Blu-ray that can handle the amount of space and info a HD 24 bit uncompressed wav file takes up.
i compared it to the new 4K televisions, 4K is absolutely stunning to witness. it's like night and day when you compare 1080p to 4K. it's kinda strange to think that when we are looking at a movie, we are watching something that was downgraded in quality to meet 1080p, the industry standard of the time. with music,

it's like saying, i don't want to listen to anything unless it's on cassette tape or 8-track instead of hearing an album the way the artist heard it after recording it. it's like staying with box TV with an antenna... you are experiencing music/video that had to be altered and downgraded from its original source in order to fit on the industry standard physical format or be played on a television. 24 bit is the purest possible way to hear music without being there in the studio. it's untouched and not altered to meet standards and requirements. and that's coming from some who loves a physical product. i feel the art is just as important as the music. it completes the whole music. so if we are going to continue a physical format, we must say goodbye to the prehistoric formats known as CD and vinyl.

i wish The Prodigy would go back to all of their releases and re-release them all remastered in 24 bit. i would buy it all up just to experience it the way Liam heard it while writing and recording it in the studio.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:45 am
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Jr wrote:
AONO would benefit greatly from a remaster, it's pushed wayyy too far and it tires your ears quickly. sounds harsh


AONO can definitely use a remaster to smoothen it up a bit, but it just doesn't have the depth that previous material had. but yes, a remaster would go a long way since AONO is one of the prime examples of the loudness war. where an album's dynamics are sacrificed for being the loudest. especially AONO being pushed in the red throughout.



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