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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:17 am
:lol: DOA has FINALLY cracked Rob of Pendulum. Read this rant he just wrote:

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.ph ... genumber=8

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okay, i've had just about enough of this.

i don't mind when people aren't particularly fond of our tracks - with every tune we make i go through different stages of loving it and hating it, so i can empathise with pretty much every comment made so far.

the only comments i don't get are the ones saying "we've sold out"...

i define "selling out" as not only making music for profit, but also making ANYTHING you don't really want to make for ANY reason (including fame, pleasing fans, staying true to a genre, or un-necessarily repeating yourself out of fear of progression).

the only way i think i could have really "sold myself out" is if i had made any more tracks that sounded like vault / another planet / still grey etc. those tunes are cool for what they are, but i've moved on in both my musical taste / influences, and my ambitions for this group...if you want to blame anyone for our change in direction, blame led zeppelin, the shadows, the surf coasters, dead kennedys, dick dale, howlin wolf, weather report, tool, in flames, herb alpert, underoath and all the other stuff i've been listening to instead of drum and bass.

we have fended the vultures off this project so much that it would probably fill a novel if i tried to explain it all. all i'll say is - i wanted to make every single thing we've ever put out. call us "shit" or "clownstep" or photoshop gareth as much as you like - but saying "we sold out" is talking out your ass. i never wanted to make straight up dnb - it was never on the cards.

oh, and by the way - i'm not sure if drum and bass is dead or dying (i've been in the studio / on tour too long to tell) - however, if your genre was flimsy enough to be knocked over by ONE SINGLE RECORDING ARTIST who happened to - god forbid - sell some fucking records for the first time in about 5/6 years, then i'm glad it was us that got to drive the final stake through its stale pig shit heart - and good riddance. wake me up when your genre is making something that people outside the scene think is worth listening to again.


Wow look at that last paragraph. I don't know if he's just saying that in a hissy fit to piss people off, but by his logic I guess Britney Spears-type pop is the best music on the planet since it's the most well known :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:06 am
Man I had to get in on this... my reply to that last paragraph of Pendulum's reply:

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.ph ... ost7862578

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Just SOME of the big tunes of 2007. Doesn't look like a dead genre to me. I just listed like 50 big tunes easily. Pick ANY other genre and list 50 of its biggest tunes of 2007 and compare the list.

Absolute Zero & Subphonics - The Code (SKC remix)
Noisia - Facade VIP
Commix - Be True
Tribe Of Issachar - Wardance (Serial Killaz Remix)
Demo & Cease - Ladies Night
Xample - Lowdown
Hazard - Busted
Matrix & Futurebound - Coast to Coast
Drumsound & Bassline Smith - Cold Turkey
Culture Shock - Asteroids
Fresh - Steam
ShockOne - Don't You Know
Drumsound & Bassline Smith - Harder
Commix - Satellite Type 2
Ram Trilogy - Screamer (Shimon Remix)
Monoman - Dirty Games (G Dub Too Damn Dirty)
TC - Game Over
Noisia & Mayhem - Exodus
Sub Focus - Druggy
Chase & Status - Dumpling Riddim
Calyx & Teebee - The Divide
Ant Miles & Andy C - All Systems Go
Brookes Brothers - Mistakes
The Qemists - Stompbox
Logistics - Colourwheel
Sigma - All Blue
NuTone feat Natalie Williams - System (Matrix & Futurebound remix)
Friction & K-Tee - Megatron
Break - Let It Happen
Spor - 1Up
Calyx & Teebee - Warrior
Chase & Status - Disco
Culture Shock & Brookes Brothers - Rework
Commix - Electric
G Dub - Beast City
J Majik & Wickaman - Rollin It
Misanthrop - Viperfish
Chase & Status - Sell Me Your Soul
Baron - Endless Summer
ShockOne - Shock Resistance
Culture Shock - Vice Chase
Die & Clipz - Number One
Mr. L - Back To Your Roots (Friction & K-Tee remix)
Fresh - Scream
Matrix & Futurebound - Rat Trap
Benny Page - Battlefield
Terravita - Quantam Physics
J Majik & Wickaman - Crazy World
High Contrast - If We Ever
Clipz - Push It Up
Xample - Deeper Underground
Distorted Minds & DJ Hazard - Super Drunk
Phetsta - The Bloodening


If you guys are done with DnB for whatever reasons, you sure would save yourselves a lot of headaches by just coming out and saying "we're going in a different direction. DnB has been great to us, but we're moving on." But you guys keep clinging to DnB. You guys keep coming back to these boards, you or "pendulumHQ" let us know about every single/radio play/move you make, you're releasing a DnB remix on your first single of your new album, and you're still having people like Noisia and Sub Focus support you on tour.

When you saw Sub Focus at the show on Thursday in Bournemouth what did you say to him? "Ez Nick. How's the new album coming along in that stale pig shit genre you're in"?

I don't blame you guys for being pissed. You've been slagged off left and right in these forums, and I'm surprised it took you this long to crack :teeth: However, slagging off friends of yours in the genre with statements like that just to get back at some forum posters shows a serious lack of respect for a lot of people who have played your tunes all over the world and helped you reach the stage you're now at.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:52 am
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i am actually surprised as to how very basic the Dillinja remix of granite is sounding. its like he hasn't really bothered at all. then again my opinion is based on a 1.23 clip of it.



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:08 pm
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nice reaction, Sugar!


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:40 pm
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I seriously don't understand "fans" sometimes. It's the same thing that happened during when FOTL came out and Prodigy was #1 all around the world. For some strange unknown reason... fans don't want their favorite artists to become popular. People don't want them to be able to pay the bills. They want to see them struggle. They'd rather see them homeless. All so this elitist "fan" can namedrop this underground band in front of their friends and get a "who?" reaction. Once their friends or siblings or neighbors pick up on it, selling out immediatly gets thrown around everywhere. Whether or not said band changed themselves to sell more records is irrelevant. The fact they've sold some records and sold out stadiums makes them a sell out. I've seem it time and time again, especially in electronic genres. Is it jealousy? Envy? Pride? Elitism? Fuck if I know. I do know it's one thing though... sad.

Another thing... I don't understand this "it's not drum and bass" thing. Is it fast? Check. Drums? Two step, some breaks, check. Bass? Rollin, check. So what makes it not drum and bass? Where's this magical definitive DnB definition? I've checked wiki, websters, urban dictionary, the drunk down the street. There is NOTHING out there that says this is any less DnB than anything else.

In short... "ON NOEZ!! A BAND IS MAKING MONEY!!! THEY SUXORZ!! SELL 0UT!!!111!!shift+1!"


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:44 pm
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BigSugar316 wrote:
As if it couldn't get worse, Dillinja's remix was played.. and my God I take it all back! Granite is the best song ever... well at least compared to this ABSOLUTE PIECE OF SHIT!


Sounds like every other Dillinja song I've ever heard before. Don't see how this one sucks more than any of those.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:50 pm
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BigSugar316 wrote:
oh, and by the way - i'm not sure if drum and bass is dead or dying (i've been in the studio / on tour too long to tell) - however, if your genre was flimsy enough to be knocked over by ONE SINGLE RECORDING ARTIST who happened to - god forbid - sell some fucking records for the first time in about 5/6 years, then i'm glad it was us that got to drive the final stake through its stale pig shit heart - and good riddance. wake me up when your genre is making something that people outside the scene think is worth listening to again.

To be fair to Pendulum, that paragraph is pretty similar to what Liam said about the Rave scene after he was accused of killing it with 'Charly'.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:07 pm
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James Jupiter wrote:
BigSugar316 wrote:
oh, and by the way - i'm not sure if drum and bass is dead or dying (i've been in the studio / on tour too long to tell) - however, if your genre was flimsy enough to be knocked over by ONE SINGLE RECORDING ARTIST who happened to - god forbid - sell some fucking records for the first time in about 5/6 years, then i'm glad it was us that got to drive the final stake through its stale pig shit heart - and good riddance. wake me up when your genre is making something that people outside the scene think is worth listening to again.

To be fair to Pendulum, that paragraph is pretty similar to what Liam said about the Rave scene after he was accused of killing it with 'Charly'.


History have a way to repeat itself, no matter what it is :chill:

BigSugar : can you move the discussion of the pendulum tracks to the pendulum thread in the music section?, and leave only the downloads here? Now we have to look through 19 pages just to find a couple of downloads... :cry:


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:45 pm
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well every artist has an end one day and it seems as though pendulum has had there fun and dying off but its just gonna be one of these popular bands again that i never watch on tv


and guys, there will never be another prodigy, never theres only one



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:32 pm
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i am actually surprised as to how very basic the Dillinja remix of granite is sounding. its like he hasn't really bothered at all. then again my opinion is based on a 1.23 clip of it.

1:23 clip was too much! I made it to about the 1:10 mark before I turned it off. It's seriously God-awful, like some kind of new computer virus had infected my soundcard making the tune sound that bad.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:44 pm
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I seriously don't understand "fans" sometimes. It's the same thing that happened during when FOTL came out and Prodigy was #1 all around the world. For some strange unknown reason... fans don't want their favorite artists to become popular. People don't want them to be able to pay the bills. They want to see them struggle. They'd rather see them homeless. All so this elitist "fan" can namedrop this underground band in front of their friends and get a "who?" reaction. Once their friends or siblings or neighbors pick up on it, selling out immediatly gets thrown around everywhere. Whether or not said band changed themselves to sell more records is irrelevant. The fact they've sold some records and sold out stadiums makes them a sell out. I've seem it time and time again, especially in electronic genres. Is it jealousy? Envy? Pride? Elitism? Fuck if I know. I do know it's one thing though... sad.

I agree that is often the case with fans. And a change in direction for a band always receives critisism along with praise.

But in this instance, I really do not think it is the case. Pendulum have been the biggest name in DnB since 2005, it's not like it's a new thing. I was a big fan of theirs when they were on top. I've seen them live 6 times in 3 different countries, so for me it's not that they're going mainstream, b/c they already were there.

For me, it's the fact that this new song Granite is such utter shit IMO and it sounds like watered-down emo-rock wannabe DnB. It sounds like some A&R guy came in the studio and told them to 'pop' it up for radio play, they added on a gay vocal, and *just* kept enough DnB elements in it to try to sell it to some of their old fans and hang onto DnB as a security blanket in case things didn't work out.

There's obviously a lot of parallels between Pendulum and Prodigy, but when FOTL became massive it wasn't b/c they adopted a more mainstream sound. They were just as hard, if not harder than Jilted. Songs like SMBU, Serial Thrilla, FMF, can't exactly be called mainstream... I mean can any album with a single called "Smack My Bitch Up" be called mainstream? Of course it ended up being adopted by the mainstream, but it wasn't at the sacrifice of Prodigy's sound to do so.


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Who gives a fuck if they change..i say its all good...prodigy made the same change with rave...theres nothing wrong with drum and bass but its good to change around from time to time...like what they are doing now...i say carry on doing it...they remind me of prodigy in so many ways...all the fans dont want them to the mainstream ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:00 pm
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If you don't like the tune itself, fine. We can have a difference in opinion. But it seems some people hate on Pendulum just to be on the in crowd. Like it's some DOA scenster rite of passage. Those are the types I reference in my post that I don't understand... bagging on a popular band in "your" genre because that's the cool thing to do.

RE: "The A&R guy"... I think that's the exact thing Rob said DIDN'T happen in his DOA post.

Additionally, whether or not SMBU was written for mainstream appeal, it happened anyways, and Liam got slagged b/c of it even though you are exactly right, a song called Smack my Bitch up could not be made for pop kiddies.

Bottom Line: I just don't understand the unwritten bell curve of album sales that says "when x sells more than y=sellout"


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:47 am
I'm not hating on Pendulum to "be cool". I don't care what other people like. I'm hating on them about this ONE tune in particular b/c I think it's absolute shit and they are capable of FAR better. All the DOA nonsense I just find really amussing. :teeth: :smashed: (I had to add these smileys on here lol)

I don't dislike it b/c it's them leaving DnB, I dislike it b/c I think the tune is shit. Like many people on here, my tastes range from DnB to Hip Hop to Rock. I don't like it as a DnB tune. I don't like it as a Rock tune. I don't like it as a Pop tune... I don't like it period!

Pendulum are one of the main reasons I'm the huge DnB-head I am now. I have no problem admitting that, and if they never make another DnB tune I'll never take that away from them. As for selling out, I could care less about how many albums they've sold. I personally define selling out as sacrificing your sound for mainstream appeal. Prodigy didn't sacrifice their sound or their edge to appease the masses, yet they did appease them anyways. In my opinion 'Granite' is sacrificing their sound. I'm sure the rest of the album will be much better and much heavier. Until then, I can only go by what they've put forward and the ignorant comments they've made.


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