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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:45 pm
A Texas man while on the phone with a 911 dispatcher phoned in that his neighbours house was being robbed. He then told the dispatcher that he was taking his shotgun outside to stop them. After numerous warnings not to go outside, the man took his gun and killed the two robbers, all while still on the phone with the police.

Click here to watch the video with the phone call:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/200 ... ooting.cnn


PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:22 am
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lol Thats pretty crazy but crazier things happen here in Texas. I feel like he did the right thing by stopping the robbers but he should not have killed them, just wounded them or something. Like shoot off their arms or hands, I know thats a horrible thing to say but I hate thieves and people who steal.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:47 am
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Manny wrote:
he should not have killed them, just wounded them or something. Like shoot off their arms or hands

or, better, nuts.



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:24 am
Manny wrote:
lol Thats pretty crazy but crazier things happen here in Texas. I feel like he did the right thing by stopping the robbers but he should not have killed them, just wounded them or something. Like shoot off their arms or hands, I know thats a horrible thing to say but I hate thieves and people who steal.

:smashed: Shoot off their hands! Geez you guys are barbaric! lol I don't know why the dispatcher didn't just tell him that the police were going to be there any second (even if they weren't), just to calm him down. Once the dispatcher said "you'll be shot" the guy was all like "oh yeah wanna bet"? Almost taking it as a challenge. Anyways, I believe he should be charged with something, whether it be a lesser charge of manslaughter or something else. You can't just go around shooting people breaking into OTHER peoples houses. For all he knew they were movers :teeth: lol. He'll get off I'm sure, but the only thing that bothers me is he didn't even try to stop them "stop right there or i'll shoot". Sounds like he just opened the door and was like "hey fucker *bang* you're dead!" :comegetsome:


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I dont mind the robbers dead really. But he should have tried another way of stopping what they were doing before he killed them.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:46 am
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Manny wrote:
lol Thats pretty crazy but crazier things happen here in Texas. I feel like he did the right thing by stopping the robbers but he should not have killed them, just wounded them or something. Like shoot off their arms or hands, I know thats a horrible thing to say but I hate thieves and people who steal.


isn't that the same thing that is given out in hardcore islamic sharia law?

why are you guys fighting if you have so much in common?



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:49 pm
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do you love your guns? (YEAH!) god? (YEAH!) the government? (HELL YEAH!)
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owning a gun is so stupid IMO, it just doesn't protect, like some people might believe (like this guy from Texas)

here in Québec, crime rate is low, so I'm fine and happy with that :) (see 3rd paragraph)

and I agree with BigSugar



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:38 pm
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We had something similar here in Norfolk a few years back. Remember Tony Martin?

http://www.edp24.co.uk/Content/News/Index/TonyMartin.asp

He's a farmer who found two teenagers breaking into his house, so he shot them. Killed one and injured the other. And got 5 years prison before he was released on appeal.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:03 am
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jugo wrote:
Manny wrote:
lol Thats pretty crazy but crazier things happen here in Texas. I feel like he did the right thing by stopping the robbers but he should not have killed them, just wounded them or something. Like shoot off their arms or hands, I know thats a horrible thing to say but I hate thieves and people who steal.


isn't that the same thing that is given out in hardcore islamic sharia law?

why are you guys fighting if you have so much in common?


:?: :?: A little off topic huh? I didn't really mean, or would want, for those guys to be harmed. It's kinda like an expression, albeit a very very bad one.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:29 am
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This is a story about what happened recently here in my city... messed up thing is I know the two guys being charged. We grew up together in the same neighborhood, went to school together, etc..

After investing nearly a week looking for him, recovering his body and arresting two people in connection with his murder, Wooster Police now are unsure of the dead man's identity.

The man initially identified as 26-year-old Rey Francisco Quinones Melendez was reported missing on Nov. 11.

He was last seen early that morning leaving a bar and the last reported contact with him was in the form of two brief cellular telephone conversations with his girlfriend, who told police he said he was in trouble and needed help.

His body was discovered Friday in a field along Geyers Chapel Road.

On Monday morning, police arrested Verdell Bullard, 25, of 1932 Fisher Drive, Wooster, who is charged with murder. His brother, Lester Bullard, 28, of 2650 Winchester Woods, Apt. B, Wooster, is charged with obstructing justice.

Police Chief Steve Glick, who spoke Monday morning to the dead man's family through a translator, referred to him as "Rey." But conflicting identification emerged only after a relative later that day presented a passport bearing the name "Pedro Hernandez" to a funeral home in Dover. The business was asked to prepare the body for shipment to Guatemala.

The information was relayed to Wayne County Coroner's Investigator Luke Reynolds from officials at the Summit County Medical Examiner's Office, Glick said.

On Tuesday, Reynolds was expected to retrieve the passport to compare the photo with the body, which remained at the medical examiner's office.

"We're still looking into the matter," Glick said. "It doesn't change the facts of the case. It doesn't change the fact he's the victim of a homicide. At this point, I don't see how it will have any bearing on our investigation."

The man was identified as Melendez with the aid of a fingerprint card filed at the Wayne County Jail, where he had been processed after several arrests, Glick said. Since the department's first contact with him in 2005, the victim had used the name Melendez, which appeared on a state-issued identification card.

"Until this happened, we had no reason to believe the information we had on him wasn't true. Frankly, we still don't know who he is," Glick said.

With a state identification card, law enforcement officers can do little other than assume a person is a legal resident of the United States, he said. Glick also said he does not believe it is within his authority, without direction from the federal government, to arrest someone on suspicion they are in the country illegally.

If the person is suspected to be in the country illegally, Glick said, officers attempt to locate information from the federal government, "but frankly that doesn't always work very well.

"It makes no difference whether they're from Latin America, Europe or another country. It makes our job more difficult; and now we have a homicide victim and we're still trying to prove his true identity," Glick said, adding the question of identity also does not help the family, who cannot have the body transported without proper identification.

"Until we can identify the person, there are problems trying to return him to Guatemala, which is where the family wants him to be," he said. "It's very frustrating for us. We try to do things properly. Obviously, if he was here legally, that's fine. If he was here illegally, that's OK, too. He's still a victim. How are we supposed to get the body back to his homeland for burial?"

The Bullard brothers were identified by anonymous tipsters who told police Verdell Bullard stabbed and killed Melendez, Glick said.

Sources also told investigators the brothers cleaned the crime scene, removing carpeting and furnishings from Verdell Bullard's home and burning them in a fire pit in the backyard, Glick said, who said neighbors reported seeing fires in the yard on the night of Nov. 11 and other evenings.

During a search on Friday, officers found fresh paint, missing carpeting and new flooring being installed in the basement, Glick said.

Verdell Bullard's girlfriend told police she saw Melendez' body in the home and implicated her boyfriend in the man's death, Glick said.

Verdell Bullard, who claimed Melendez attacked him with a knife, said he stabbed Melendez in self-defense. He said Melendez died in the home before he and his brother, Lester Bullard, moved his body to the Geyers Chapel Road field, where they doused Melendez' body with gas and set it on fire, Glick said.

Melendez' body was burned, but recognizable, when located by police, who were led to the site by Verdell Bullard, Glick said.

An autopsy, conducted Saturday at the Summit County Medical Examiner's Office, indicated Melendez was stabbed in his chest, head and neck at least 14 times, Glick said.

Investigators recovered remnants of Melendez' personal effects in the fire pit, Glick said. Evidence from the fire pit is being analyzed by the Ohio Bureau of Identification and Investigation.

Verdell Bullard, who faces life in prison if convicted of murder, is incarcerated at the Wayne County Jail with bond set at $500,000. Lester Bullard faces five years in prison and is in jail with bond set at $150,000.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:45 am
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When my brother was 18 he was hanging around a bunch of total fuckwits, they were all older than him and were just a waste or fucking space, but he didn't know any better, he was 18, young and immature and thought these guys were cool.

Well these guys decided they were going to do a robbery of a joint that one of them used to work for, and talked my brother into going and being involved. My brother was a good kid and never did anything to hurt anyone ever before in his life, well they told him he'd get at least 5 grand from being part of it, my brother knew our family was having money problems so he thought this was a good idea. Remember he was only 18 at the time.

Basically they all got caught and my brother ended up in jail for 3 years. He had his 21st birthday in jail. Did he deserve to go to jail? Yes I think so, because he broke the law, I think it was fucked up that he made a mistake and it fucked him up for a long time. Our whole family was messed up because of what happened. Now he's been out for a few years he's put himself through business college and got himself a good job.

But...

if we lived in Yankee land some fuckin hero with a gun would of probably blown my little brothers head off. You tell me thats fair?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:11 am
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ahh yea, thats America for you.

Shoot first. Shoot some more. Shoot a little bit more. Then ask questions and think.

oh how i love my country.



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:28 am
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the_last_ninja wrote:
You tell me thats fair?

Not fair, but i wouldnt have a problem with it. Its not personal at you or your brother. He had a choise even if he was "only" 18 (which i dont think is too young to be responsible for his own acts at all) and there are many other factors involved that should have prevented something like that from happening. If my own brother robbed something i hope he get his ass raped to pieces in prisson. I cant feel sorry for someone who digs his own hole.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:22 am
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do you love your guns? (YEAH!) god? (YEAH!) the government? (HELL YEAH!)
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owning a gun is so stupid IMO, it just doesn't protect, like some people might believe (like this guy from Texas)

here in Québec, crime rate is low, so I'm fine and happy with that :) (see 3rd paragraph)

and I agree with BigSugar



if people were all the same then all over the world then it would be different....yes lower crime rate in quebec but you don't have the same type of people living there as you do say in l.a. or houston or detroit

i think part of it has to do with that the usa is a relatively young country and we have not evolved past the violence that our country was built on...perhaps in another 200 years if we survive that long

owning a gun is not necessarily stupid...many responsible people own guns and they dont go on killing sprees...besides do you think the police actually prevent crime...very few instances...they are there after the fact...i would rather have the option to protect my family and myself

part of it too is that parents dont teach their kids about limits and respecting others (another topic) i grew up in texas and have been handling guns since i was 4 and i havent any homicidal urges...if i took a gun out of the cabinet without permission i would have had the shit smacked out of me and that is how it should be...there are rules and consequences for breaking them...personal responsibility

what if normal law abiding citizens liscenced and trained to own a firearm...do you think crime would increase, decrease or stay the same...imo opinion it would eventually go down...criminals look for weak easy targets and if there was a chance that someone had a firearm and might kill you during the comission of your crime...you might think twice


those guys robbing the house....too bad they got shot...big boys rules...shouldnt have been robbing the house...do criminals have rights??????



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