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bokorugro
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:14 am |
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GeneralPosts: 2375Location: TexasJoined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:07 am
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Quote: Internet users who illegally download music and films could lose their access to the web under legislation aimed at cracking down on those who flout piracy laws. Powers being drafted by the government will compel internet service providers to take action against customers who access pirated material. The Department of Media, Culture and Sport will recommend the plan in a green paper on the creative industries to be published this month, a source with knowledge of the paper said. Under the new sanctions users will face a “three strikes” regime. A warning email will be sent for the first offence, followed by suspension from the service and finally termination of the internet contract.
A draft copy of the green paper said the government “will move to legislate to require internet service providers to take action on illegal file-sharing,” although it has yet to decide if information on offenders should be shared between the ISPs, the Times reported. The government has come under increasing pressure from the music and film industries to penalise users who download pirated files. Although piracy is illegal, prosecutions are rare. The UK’s four largest internet providers - BT, Tiscali, Orange and Virgin Media - are already in talks with studios on a joint voluntary agreement to share information on web violators. But under the legislation they could be forced to cut off customers. ISPs which fail to enforce the rules could face prosecution, and suspected customers handed over to the courts. Similar laws already exist in many countries but ISPs hardly disconnect someone, as they get money from such a user. This law could easily change everything…
Source: Guardian
oi...thats gonna suck
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bokorugro
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:23 am |
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GeneralPosts: 2375Location: TexasJoined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:07 am
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from torrentfreak.com
Quote: 5 Reasons Why Illegal Downloaders Will Not Face a UK Ban
Written by Matt on February 12, 2008 There’s been a lot of buzz about a story The London Times ran this morning under the headline “Internet users could be banned over illegal downloads,” which also appeared on the BBC website under the even more alarming headline “Illegal downloaders ‘face UK ban.” Time to get a couple of things straight.
The Times says “people who illegally download films and music will be cut off from the internet under new legislative proposals to be unveiled next week.” Actually, this story is complete balderdash. But the fact that this nutty proposal is getting anywhere at all illustrates how ignorant the powers that be are about downloading.
Let’s get a couple of things straight –
1. This proposal was a draft consultation green paper, defined as “a proposal without any commitment to action.” The government receives many of these on a daily basis. They are like junk mail at Number 10 Downing Street. The Prime Minister’s toilet paper is more important than most green papers, and both are usually filed in the same place.
2. This proposal is totally and completely unworkable in the real world. ISPs will not accept liability for the contents of packets (nor should they), and it would be impossible for them to open and check if every single download and upload was legal or not without the entire Internet grinding to halt. This isn’t in the best interests of the government, the ISPs or the voters. Banning customers and exposing yourself to billions in liability isn’t a good business strategy. Criminalizing six million citizens and inconveniencing the rest is not a vote winner.
3. It would be impossible to tell the difference between illegal downloading and legal activities such as downloading software patches, using torrents to share stuff legally, playing online video games, using VoIP, photo sharing, telecommuting, and many others. The resistance from the private sector would be as strong as it would from the general public.
4. The very idea of this goes against the ruling of the European Court, which says EU member states are not obligated to disclose personal information about suspected file sharers. It would also fly in the face of Article 10 of the European freedom of expression laws, which gives every European the “freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.”
5. WiFi piggybacking and encrypted packets make it impossible to tell who is downloading what in the first place. These techniques are only getting more sophisticated, while for the most part, the content industries collectively remain as dumb as a box of hair.
So in summary:
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This idea makes as much sense as trying to ban people from singing ‘Happy Birthday’ to each other over the telephone network, or burning down libraries to protect the publishing industry. But what’s frightening about such ideas is that they are still taken seriously all over the world by powerful decision makers in government and industry who have absolutely no clue about how the Internet actually works, or the damage such laws could do to democracy.
Before there is any more discussion about this, the music and film companies need to definitively prove illegal downloads cost them millions of dollars in lost revenues. CD sales are falling because nobody uses them anymore, and Hollywood is in rude health despite the pirates. There should be no more talk about changing laws and spending tax payer’s money on this ‘problem’ until someone proves there really is one.
Furthermore, if there is a problem, tax payers shouldn’t have to pony up in the first place. The content industries need to stop braying at governments to protect inefficient business models and look at the real solution that’s been staring them in the face for ten years.
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jugo
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:57 am |
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GeneralPosts: 4138Location: kiev, ukraineJoined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:17 pm
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FLAME-XIII
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:06 pm |
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Majestic 13Posts: 2640Location: RussiaJoined: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:52 pm
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fuck them and their law
russia is free country for that
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Cogglesz
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:37 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 6933Location: Scotland UKJoined: Wed May 23, 2007 2:57 pm
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could this new law be as sucessfull as elton john trying to get the internet shut down ?
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Matti
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:41 pm |
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FLAME-XIII wrote: fuck them and their law russia is free country for that
Montenegro, too! :D
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pyro
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:50 pm |
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LieutenantPosts: 516Location: On your roof stealing your chimneyJoined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:50 pm
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Anyone who downloads music is in my bad books. I wanted to work in the music industry but downloads have really killed my chances.
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TMWKTM
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:20 pm |
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There's about 5 million reasons why this won't happen. Just scare tactics for people who don't know any better.
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BRAINKILLER
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:24 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 2744Location: ItalyJoined: Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:58 pm
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this is like asking tuning shops to close because government don't want illegal street races.
pretty chaotic news nowadays, today they say major labels study the download solution, tomorrow they say labels fight against downloads
this is by far the most idiotic news, who decide what downloaded file is legal or not?
take Fastweb isp provider in Italy. the fastest, people want it because of what? read google news? what would happen if (suppose this is possible, to cut every user) this ISP would check (again suppose it's possible) every user. they should cut about 90% of their users and fucking close their service. not that smart
music, games and movies industries have to face the truth: they will never have the power to decide anything on the www
studios have to realise that 20 fucking milion dollars is to fucking much for a single actor
labels have to realise that 20 fucking euro is to fucking much for a 20 cent cd
me wanted the chems album and downloaded it.
but next time they play in italy? oh yes i'm going to see them live
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Aquila
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:24 am |
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GeneralPosts: 2949Location: woppity woppity woppityJoined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:33 am
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sHperacLu
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:03 am |
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GruntPosts: 52Joined: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:21 pm
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Quote: Internet users who illegally download music and films could lose their access to the web under legislation aimed at cracking down on those who flout piracy laws. Powers being drafted by the government will compel internet service providers to take action against customers who access pirated material. The Department of Media, Culture and Sport will recommend the plan in a green paper on the creative industries to be published this month, a source with knowledge of the paper said. Under the new sanctions users will face a “three strikes” regime. A warning email will be sent for the first offence, followed by suspension from the service and finally termination of the internet contract.
A draft copy of the green paper said the government “will move to legislate to require internet service providers to take action on illegal file-sharing,” although it has yet to decide if information on offenders should be shared between the ISPs, the Times reported. The government has come under increasing pressure from the music and film industries to penalise users who download pirated files. Although piracy is illegal, prosecutions are rare. The UK’s four largest internet providers - BT, Tiscali, Orange and Virgin Media - are already in talks with studios on a joint voluntary agreement to share information on web violators. But under the legislation they could be forced to cut off customers. ISPs which fail to enforce the rules could face prosecution, and suspected customers handed over to the courts. Similar laws already exist in many countries but ISPs hardly disconnect someone, as they get money from such a user. This law could easily change everything…
Source: Guardian
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!
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