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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:52 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 2881Location: ESTJoined: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:30 pm
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Its only The Prodigy and in this case, i have huge expectations, i can just feel it.
I am more of a 2. generations fan. Experience and MFTJG sound/feeling in general went bit past of me. Ofcourse tracks like NoGood, Out Of Space, Break And Enter are now one of my favorites, but i actualy started to commit myself into the band when AONO came out, i liked few tracks from there, but still mainly FOTL was in my head.
Now when new era is about to begin, i feel this is going to be most powerful of all of them. From these live recordings and now IMD - the agression of FOTL and sounds from early days are combined.
You can call me crazy if you want ,but my LastFM shows bit over 200 - imd
i like the sound, but big reason of it is just to feel the power of the message.
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:41 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 3835Location: USAJoined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:56 pm
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I first started listening to The Prodigy in '93-'94 when I heard "Charly" and "Everybody In The Place" on a rave compilation. So I went out and picked up all the singles I can find along with "Experience" and "MFTJG." I was buzzing off that for a couple of years and then one night MTV played "Firestarter." At the end it said it was by The Prodigy and I was like "fucking hell! this is them now?!?!" I was completely blown away because of how ravey they were and then to get hit with this. I remember playing "Wipeout XL" and it had the instrumental on it and putting the game into my CD player and recording it onto a cassette. But yeah "Firestarter" blew me away, it was just such a complete headfuck to go from "Exp" to "MFTJG" to this. "Fat of the Land" is definitely my favorite album by them. I can listen through that album straight thru no problem, every track does it for me. My only knock on "MFTJG" is that some tracks are just way too long for their own good. The '05 Edits really make them so much more powerful.
So years went by, the AONO hype began and then "Baby's Got A Temper" came out, which I AM A FAN OF. I really like that track. Then they went back and redid it all and then "Girls" came along and it completely threw me off. I kinda was a little "eh" about it. but when the album came out and saw what they were doing, i enjoyed it much more. in fact "Girls" is one of faves as well now.
I had the same experience with "IMD." hearing tracks like "Worlds On Fire, "Warrior's Dance," and "Mescaline" this one kinda threw me off. but after sitting and listening to it, i really love this track.
Maybe at first, i wasn't entirely sure, but after a few listens, i really enjoy.
I think "Invaders Must Die" is gonna wicked. I mean we heard a few tracks already and they all rocked. i think the problem with AONO is that it wasn't as diverse as "FotL" and "MFTJG." i feel that problem will be fixed with the new album if simply just listen to the range the new live tracks have showed us.
People are just too damn fussy and bitchy and you shouldn't just throw you're opinion at something without giving time to take it in.
I used to not like Maxim's "Hell's Kitchen" album and then I went back to it a couple of summers ago and i think it's actually quite a good album. A little ahead of it's time I feel.
The Prodigy has never disappointed me and I can honestly say they have never made a track that i can say is absolute shit and I can pretty much listen to all their albums all the way thru. In the end, I'm sure this album will please me with what I know will be on it and the bonus disc.
the only time i can say i was truly disappointed was when "Trigger" became "Shoot Down" but that was because I was so stuck on the original "Trigger." love that tune with the back and forth Maxim and Keith.
I REALLY WANT "MESCALINE" IN STUDIO FORM...
that's all I ask. was hoping to get it on the bonus, but single can't be all that bad either.
bring on that single Liam.
and who knows we might get some alt versions like "More Girls" and "Hotride."
either way, March 2nd can't fucking get here fast enough.
and the new tune "IMD" is quite simply the boys saying "oh so this is what you like eh? this is the scene now? this is the big deal? well all you folks might enjoy this one, but you have no idea what's coming next."
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Electronic_Punk®
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:43 pm |
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Prodigious ArabPosts: 4204Location: The Dark SideJoined: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:22 pm
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The main problem about AONO is that it's One-Dimensional.
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:12 am |
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GeneralPosts: 1718Location: Always outdrunk, Never outsoberJoined: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:32 pm
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I see one problem with a lot of fans expectations including myself that is that because there is so much of a gap between album releases is that we have a much more raised expectation of any material they produce. Prime examples are BGAT and AONO. We have been leading ourselves to disappointment on a few levels.
Most of us are wanting a MFTJG part 2, some are looking for a FOTL part 2 and when we are given something different, the moans begins.
We as fans are probably the most scrupulous and over anilyitical of any electronic artists out there. This is due to the fact that there is so little material given to us by a band thats been going for 18 years.
18 YEARS! 5 ALBUMS!
Thats all. No wonder its made us a little bitter inside all of us and ready to jump the gun when new tracks don't meet our expectations.
Liam has given us IMD and it's polarised us again in opinions as did AONO. We've looked to past glorys and thought Liam can do better than this. In all honesty he probably can't. This isn't a knock on the band but i feel that to reach those heights again, the whole music industry enviroment has to change to suit what is needed to make any future release by the prodigy relevent and ground breaking.
I truly hope that IMD is a proven critical success by the fans and by the prodigy's peers. It may not go down as a influential album in the future but i think its at least a nod towards all us long suffering fans that Liam knows were here and we've been as patient as possible, hence why there is the fan friendly releases e.g dvd, lost beats ep and more.
I love the prodigy much more than any other band and have stuck with them through thick and thin. And i do hope that this will be a return to some glory days at least.
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James Jupiter
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:02 pm |
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Personally I like the majority of tracks by The Prodigy. Obviously I like some tracks a lot more than others but they haven't done a single track which I would say I dislike.
It's quite rare for people to like every track an artist has produced. I'm guessing those who post about their utter hatred of 'AONO', 'Shadow' and 'IMD' must have belonged to the 'likes everything The Prodigy have ever produced' group of fans but when 'AONO' came along they were stunned to hear tracks by The Prodigy that they didn't consider great.
Radiohead fans will have been massively divided when 'Kid A' came along. To go from a guitar band to electronic is a big change. They will have lost fans with that direction change. They will also have gained new fans and they will have had many who were fans from the beginning stay with them all the way.
For me I can listen to a Prodigy track almost knowing for sure that I will probably like it. I would happily buy a Prodigy album without having heard any of the music on it because it would be more than likely that I would like it. Amongst other music I like is Aphex Twin. For me his music is a lot more hit and miss. I would want to know what I was getting before I bought it. Also, I used to buy all The Chemical Brothers singles because the B-sides were often even better than the A-sides. Recent Chemical Brothers singles have had in my opinion poorer B-sides and remixes compared to the ones of the past.
I guess what I am trying to say is that some people must have very high expectations of The Prodigy to give the extreme reactions they have when they hear a track they don't like. Some of the reactions are like they have enjoyed 99 bottles of champagne and then suddenly the 100th bottle contains piss instead of champagne.
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Fifer
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:19 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 2753Location: Amsterdam, NetherlandsJoined: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:00 pm
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I think the problem with AONO is it hasn't stood the test of time very well you know? When I first baught the album I thought it was pretty fucking sweet. I really loved it. Now It's never in my CD player, I just can't listen to it when the backlog of other tunes is just so strong! It shows in their live shows too. They don't play ANY of those tunes anymore. (The 05 edit obviously being influenced by the way they play it live + The action radar link) Very very rarley did these tunes vleed into the sets on their law tour. It's because they don't have the same energy. + The AONO tour is widley considered as their weakest tour ever. A fuck listen to me go on...... Back to the point at hand.
I like "invaders must die" I'm just hoping it won't slip into the same rut! Obviously this is just one tune you know? From what we've heard at the festival gigs and ealry previews of the album this new albumn sounds like every good element from the first 3 albums mixed into 1. That can't be a bad thing!
Anyway, to answer your question no I don't tend to judge anything harshly and my standards for Prodigy tunes has never wained. My expectations are so high for the new record you know? I want to say to my kids in 15 years "have a listen to this album." I want them hooked on the prodigy like I was when I was growing up! In no way shape or form have my epectations faded, they've only grown. If this isn't one of the best albums I've ever heard I'll be dissapointed, it's as simple as that. Expectations don't get any higher!
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freehandjunkie
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:26 pm |
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CaptainPosts: 657Location: united kingdomJoined: Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:58 pm
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the golden times for us as fans has gone...we have had the best and the best was untouchable....
to understand the albums is to understand the times in which they were written, jilted is the best album by a mile, that came out of the criminal justice bill and the prodigy fighting back, they had something to write music about, fat of the land was a confirmation of them being the biggest band in the world taking it up another notch...
where do you go from there? only down...(this happens to most bands)
aono was a great record personally for me. so to say it was boring badly produced etc is total bollocks, liam wrote that as there was no direction in the band previously so to solve that he made it his own, a personal record, there would be no band or forum to write anything in had he not done this..
as for now the signs are good, look we will never get the stand out tunes, the impact, etc we had, lower your expectations and you will be happy. thats what i have done, this album is back to the roots yeah but its also a homage to the times when they were at their best, writing music that inspires, attacks, and shocks you...those times have gone...still an amazing band but times change.
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James Jupiter
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:55 pm |
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First and foremost I expect the 'Invaders Must Die' album to contain music that I enjoy listening to. I am not expecting a timeless, landmark, classic album. It may end up being one but I am not going into it expecting it to be one. When 'Jilted came out it was 'just' an album. It didn't have all this massive expectation weighing on it.
I'm sure most people can't remember if they liked all the main Prodigy hits the very first time they heard them. They will have forgotten whether it took them a few listens to get into them or not as it was so long ago. Some people give new tracks one listen then instantly pass judgement.
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:45 pm |
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LieutenantPosts: 579Location: BulgariaJoined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:58 pm
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Electronic_Punk® wrote: The main problem about AONO is that it's One-Dimensional.
If there is a Prodigy album that is One-Dimensional it is Experience. AONO has as much variation in style as Jilted, even if it is not of such high quality.
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:49 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 1729Location: HungaryJoined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:53 pm
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My expectations are kinda simple: I want the album, wanna listen to it, wanna feel the shape of it as I take it home from the shop, wanna watch the covers, read all the writings, even the copyright shits, then start it all over again.
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Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:39 pm |
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ColonelPosts: 972Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:10 am
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freehandjunkie wrote: the golden times for us as fans has gone....
this is said a lot these days. people keep saying that this is their last album, the golden times are gone etc. i think we're talking about two different things here. the one thing are the live shows. well, they can't jump around stage at the age of 45 or something. the other thing is the fact that liam's the prodigy, he writes the tunes, he's what prodigy is all about in the end. i know many people have a hard time imagining prodigy without their live show but i believe that liam will keep writing tunes, no matter what.
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:29 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 2861Location: Bristol, UKJoined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:58 pm
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I love AONO
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freehandjunkie
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:35 pm |
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CaptainPosts: 657Location: united kingdomJoined: Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:58 pm
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Kingdom wrote: freehandjunkie wrote: the golden times for us as fans has gone.... this is said a lot these days. people keep saying that this is their last album, the golden times are gone etc. i think we're talking about two different things here. the one thing are the live shows. well, they can't jump around stage at the age of 45 or something. the other thing is the fact that liam's the prodigy, he writes the tunes, he's what prodigy is all about in the end. i know many people have a hard time imagining prodigy without their live show but i believe that liam will keep writing tunes, no matter what.
i meant it it in terms of the quality of material produced, in terms of the live show i can still see them rocking it for many more years, thats the easy part in a sense, whether this is the last album or not remains to be seen but the golden era of what liam did has gone in my opinion, you can see that in the gaps in relesing material and what we have heard in the past few years, aono is a quality album dont get me wrong, what im saying isnt about comparing its about what is written now, and in my opinion the golden era of his writing and producing has gone...
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:37 pm |
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CorporalPosts: 304Location: Belgrade, SerbiaJoined: Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:00 pm
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James Jupiter wrote: I'm sure most people can't remember if they liked all the main Prodigy hits the very first time they heard them. They will have forgotten whether it took them a few listens to get into them or not as it was so long ago. Some people give new tracks one listen then instantly pass judgement.
I do remember some things. I remember that after I first listened to Experience I only liked 2 or 3 tracks (and now I practically like the whole album). And also, on MFTJG, I didn't like tracks like Skylined and Claustrophobic Sting at first. But that was a long time ago, and now after years and years of listening to lots of different music, I have much more belief in my judgment. As I said before, at the moment The Prodigy is probably the only artist that will sometime force me to put my judgment in question, and I will always give their track one more chance (or better to say, many more chances ). But I have listened to IMD enough times to say that it will never fully grow on me.
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Neuburger
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:40 pm |
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GeneralPosts: 1430Location: HungaryJoined: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:04 pm
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Well, the only thing that I don't like about the new Prodigy is that they are not a DRUM AND BASS group. From Experience til FOTL their music was dnb(actually MFTJG was a bit more techno.).
I have no bigger expectations of the new album than AONO, because AONO is great and i'd be fully satisfied with an AONO caliber album.
Oh, and an annoying question:
I know I shouldnt be thinking about that but...What will be after IMD?
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